Don, the TRV37 is definately better. I was looking for a TRV11 or TRV20 (mini DV) but couldn't find them in any store. I'm not an E-Bay member, and not real fond of internet shopping. Is there somehwere else I could get a few of the older mini DV units? Or, do you know of another mini DV model that has a good nightshot capability?