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total focus on trophy hunting
I have a problem with that also. It takes away from honoring the sport. I think the shows are the reasons that many hunters dwell on the rack and not shoot does or yearlings.
 

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Depends on the show
Yes it does. There are a couple on the Men's Channel that specificly tell the viewers they are not trophy hunters.
I think shows like Realtree Outdoors and Buckmaster put an emphasis on antler size.
 

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Realtree and Jordan make me sick....And I love hunting. Imagine what non hunters think when they see his garbage on TV!

To me the late Ben Rodgers Lee was the best Ambasador to the sport since the late Ben Pearson and Fred Bear. Since they have passed on, there has been a huge void in positive promotion of the sport.

The guys today are shameless if you ask me.
 
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I'm so sick of Jackie Bushman and BUCKMASTERS. I love watching NORTH AMERICAN WHITETAILS, DURARY OUTDOORS & of course TIFF
 

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Drury Outdoors has a very good show, they talk about many diverse aspects of the sport and I think they are a down to earth group of guys.
 

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It takes away from honoring the sport. I think the shows are the reasons that many hunters dwell on the rack and not shoot does or yearlings.
Ok here we go with an argument I see it already.

I disagree with all of you. The shows don't focus on trophies. The places they go hunt, already have a quality deer management program in place. So the reason behind them passing on smaller deer is to help their management. I have seen shows that have taken does, and show young hunters taking a variety of deer, not just trophies. I dont see it promoting anything bad. You all are saying you hate this show or that person, but the truth is if you had the opportunity to do what they do and go those places, YOU ALL would jump at the chance!!
 

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I don't care about these guys running around hunting these private ranch's in Texas where all the deer come out onto the dirt road and they smack some buck with a rifle from 300 yards away, no sport in that and no interest on my part.
 

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I THINK THAT ALOT OF HUNTING AND FISHING SHOWS MAKE IT SEEM LIKE YOU HAVE ALL THIS MONEY TO GO BUY THE LATEST GUNS AND HUNTING AND FISHING GEAR. THEY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY THAT THEY DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH IT REALLY IS FOR AN AVERAGE HUNTER.
 

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Ian I agree with you to an extent. Yes they do have shows that show does being harvested by young hunters and they do hunt on management hunts and a nice herd. However, I think they do put an emphasis on bigger racks. Yes bigger racks are nice. Would I hunt for a nice Texas whitetail, Yes. But would it matter of I get a Pope & Young cl [no swearing please] deer, no. I think what they show are "fanatsy hunts." I don't think they are the majority of animals harvested across the country. If they were, there would be no need for record books. Everyone strives to get these animals. Not to cause a debate, but take the comment from the other post about the deer being small and his kids know it is wrong to take a small deer. I think thes shows are preaching that it is wrong to harvest a small deer. I think they should do more shows showing actual hunts. I know they won't because they won't make any money. If they go and don't harvest an animal I would rather see that is was because there were no legal animals to harvest. Not because there wasn't one big enough. Just my 2 cents.
 

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you said it mack! that is my BIGGEST peeve with these yahoos. they make it so expensive the average guy cant afford to go out west. and while i have seen them take a doe and they do say that you might have to depending on which ranch you are at, they do drive the point about taking the (BIGGEST) buck they can. and i have a lot more about these (TROPHY) hunters that piss me off but i will stop here.
 

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I THINK THAT ALOT OF HUNTING AND FISHING SHOWS MAKE IT SEEM LIKE YOU HAVE ALL THIS MONEY TO GO BUY THE LATEST GUNS AND HUNTING AND FISHING GEAR. THEY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY THAT THEY DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH IT REALLY IS FOR AN AVERAGE HUNTER.
Think about this for a minute. The reason most Outfitters cost so much money is cause of the T.V. shows and Magazines. I have been on 3 hunts that were with outfitters, 1 in Texas for boar, and 2 in Kentucky with the same outfitter. Neither of them were expensive. But if you look at the places that cost the most, its because your PAYING TO HUNT A TROPHY! Most people pay the money for that reason. I said this before but here it goes again. I am from PA, and when I was younger If it was brown, it was down. No matter if it were a spike or monster 10 pointer, button bucks or yearling does. But since the inception of antler restrictions in PA, we now have a REAL managment program that is working. Ask anyone that Has hunted PA and they will tell you that this was the greatest thing to happen. Last year I saw about a dozen 120 cl [no swearing please] bucks. You won't see that here in NJ. That is why people pay to go else where, for that once in a lifetime opportunity for a trophy. I agree that most shows only show trophies, but a trophy is in the eye of the beholder. Because of the fact that I already have several hanging on my wall is the reason I only TROPHY hunt, as some would say, every year. These shows just show us what some states have to offer, the management that is in place, and the benefits of it. Ask 35 Whelen or BHC, they are going to Iowa, and didnt pay that much to go, in my opinion. But if you were to go somewhere that a TV show has been your gonna pay double, and that is the only down side to some of these shows. One of my favorite shows is Dream Season. and they hunt diffrent states that you wouldnt even consider trophy states, but the big bucks are there, and even here in NJ.

I know I got of topic here but if you really think about it, the shows are for us to see what is out there IF you can afford to go those places
 

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yea but they introduce new gadgets every week and they arent exactly cheap. you may be able to afford guided hunts but many hunters cant even afford to buy a new gun or bow. they make due with what they got. im saying that they are always saying buy this and go there but many people cant even imagine goin there on their salary.
 

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I agree with you there Mack. Alot of what they do use is expensive. Trust me when I say, I have tried most of everything, and have alot that I dont even use anymore. Matty is the same.
 

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Always gotta toss my name in there.[confused]:D

I used to buy into all the gimmicks, but as you hunt longer and longer you realize you need two things to kill deer.

A weapon, and knowledge of the animal. You dont NEED ANYTHING else....(well a license, dont get caught without that);) You soon learn to recognize what works, and what is made to line other peoples pockets with cash.


Now my feelings on the hunting shows and videos are mixed. Im not a big fan of any of them, because they honestly dont teach much. I wish they would teach more about the skills involved in actual hunting. Now maybe its a lack in their own knowledge, and the fact they rely on guides. Or maybe its takes away time from promoting their new products. I dont know for sure. Im thinking the latter though.;)

I can tell you this too though, its expensive for them to make these shows and videos and the only way to make money is to have sponsors. Sponsors are only happy when you promote their goods....so we get shameless plug filled videos and tv shows. Not much different than any other sport. Nascar, baseball, etc,.

The reason they hunt on ranches is because they need kill footage to fill up a 90 minute video. It could take seasons of hunting to make an exciting video any other way. I wouldnt want to sit in a NJ WMA for three months waiting to take one big buck on film. Id go to a high percentage area if money was at stake.

So when you look at the big picture, they make videos based on what the avg hunter wants to see, (that way it sells, and they make money). Can you blame them?

Would you want to bust your rump and spend your money to make a product that you liked, but that most people wouldnt touch with a ten foot pole? I doubt it and I know I wouldnt.

So blame the average hunter for asking for long videos with lots of kills on them. Most guys want to see very little hunting, and lots of kill shots. I think this stems from people rushing and having very little time. Infact Ive heard several people say they fast forward videos and just watch all the kill shots. Thats rediculous, but if thats what people want, and thats what sells, thats what videos are going to turn into.......a loop of kill shots followed by sponsors. Sad! But who's to blame?


As far as trophy hunting goes, I am a trophy hunter and a meat hunter. Every deer I shoot gets eaten by myself, or somebody else. BUT I wont shoot a buck unless I will be proud of it, and consider it a trophy or wallhanger. For me thats about a 120" or better buck. To some that may be small, to others that may seem unobtainable in NJ, but it isnt. There are plenty of big bucks in this state, not like the midwest, but they are here.

As far as trophy hunters not wanting to shoot does, nothing could be further from the truth. Talk to most any "trophy hunter", and they understand the importance of shooting does to balance the herd. Its the foundation of QDM and TDM. Plus, for most trophy hunters, its the only way we can fill the freezer most seasons. If the right buck doesnt come along by the end of the year, my buck tag goes un-filled as would most trophy hunters tags, and a "true" trophy hunter wont lower their standards as the season draws to an end.

I dont think videos play a part in hunters attitudes, but rather vice versa. I think the avg rush around everyday, hunt one day a month hunter wants to live vicariously through videos. So they ask for trophy hunting videos with all the "hunting" edited out to save time, leaving you with "trophy killing".
 

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These shows are in the position to promote our hunting heritage and show the next generation of hunters what the sport is really about; Companionship, Conservation and Woodsmanship. But they have decided to listen to Madison Avenue and feed us a bunch of BS about camo patterns, scent control products, feed products and everything else under the sun including a bobble head deer for our truck..I again admit I like to watch the shows for thier entertainment value but there is a problem when my brother shoots a doe and then my 10 year old nephew says its too small to get excited about because he sees trophy deer get shot a few times an hour on TV there is a problem. They are setting up this next generation with unfair expectations that hunting is easy (which it is where most of the shows are shot) and there is always a trophy buck a few steps behind that nice 8 point. How long before these young hunters get discouraged and decide success comes easier and quicker iwth other endeavors such as video games..
 

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Drury Outdoors has a very good show
I agree!!! The drury brothers have shows where they take does and bucks with bad genetics or older deer past their prime that should be taken out of the herd. I really enjoy watching them. They take the time to explain everything they are looking for and everything they are doing...A very good show![up]
 
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