Crossbow survey
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Ok, let's really fire things up 
Why vote no ?
Myths
Because crossbows shoot like a rifle ?
False - The arrows from a crossbow actually drop faster than a regular compound bow and do not have the same energy. So they do not shoot farther or "harder" than a regular bow.
They are the weapon of choice for poachers?
False - The facts show that crossbows are involved in a very small percentage of poaching incidents. Poacher rarely use any kind of bows, they aren't interested in tracking
You believe in hunting with a "Traditional " bow
What's more traditional than a bow that began it's life in Medieval times. Can you call today's bows "traditional " with all their wheels, sights, cables, I think not ! Why don't today's archers use LONG BOWS with wooden arrows. A very very few do, most don't.
Why ?
Because they want every advantage they can get !
Crossbows give an unfair advantage ?
The only advantage they give is eliminating the noise and motion of drawing the arrow.
They also give a benefit to the archer that does not practice as much as he should to be proficient with a regular bow. Whether the lack of practice be do to lack of time or physical limits, this lack of practice with a regular bow can and does result in wounded and lost deer. Would eliminating this be a bad thing ?
There are many people out there now that are not in the field now do to minor disabilities. Disabilities that are not severe enough to meet New Jersey's strict Handicap Permit process.
Allowing Crossbows into the fields of New Jersey will allow more people to once again enjoy the sport of ARCHERY HUNTING.
Let's see:
More people involved in the archery sports ( strength in numbers )
Less wounding of deer ( who doesn't want that )
More deer harvested ( what the State wants )
Just these benefits should warrant a YES vote.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but decisions should not be clouded by myths.
Do I hunt with a Crossbow ?
Yes, in Pa.
I was issued a Pa. handicap permit several years ago, which has allowed me to take several trophy's in that state.My handicap is not severe enough to be issued a NJ. handicap permit. But when 20 arrows fired = 2 days of Advil for pain, my practice sessions with a regular bow are very limited. But I do practice, shooting through the pain, so I can be proficient enough to bow hunt in a state that does not allow crossbows to be used.
I know this is a hot issue, that will probably light a few people up, but let's just stay with the facts, and leave the emotions at the door ( DAMMIT )
Why vote no ?
Myths
Because crossbows shoot like a rifle ?
False - The arrows from a crossbow actually drop faster than a regular compound bow and do not have the same energy. So they do not shoot farther or "harder" than a regular bow.
They are the weapon of choice for poachers?
False - The facts show that crossbows are involved in a very small percentage of poaching incidents. Poacher rarely use any kind of bows, they aren't interested in tracking
You believe in hunting with a "Traditional " bow
What's more traditional than a bow that began it's life in Medieval times. Can you call today's bows "traditional " with all their wheels, sights, cables, I think not ! Why don't today's archers use LONG BOWS with wooden arrows. A very very few do, most don't.
Why ?
Because they want every advantage they can get !
Crossbows give an unfair advantage ?
The only advantage they give is eliminating the noise and motion of drawing the arrow.
They also give a benefit to the archer that does not practice as much as he should to be proficient with a regular bow. Whether the lack of practice be do to lack of time or physical limits, this lack of practice with a regular bow can and does result in wounded and lost deer. Would eliminating this be a bad thing ?
There are many people out there now that are not in the field now do to minor disabilities. Disabilities that are not severe enough to meet New Jersey's strict Handicap Permit process.
Allowing Crossbows into the fields of New Jersey will allow more people to once again enjoy the sport of ARCHERY HUNTING.
Let's see:
More people involved in the archery sports ( strength in numbers )
Less wounding of deer ( who doesn't want that )
More deer harvested ( what the State wants )
Just these benefits should warrant a YES vote.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but decisions should not be clouded by myths.
Do I hunt with a Crossbow ?
Yes, in Pa.
I was issued a Pa. handicap permit several years ago, which has allowed me to take several trophy's in that state.My handicap is not severe enough to be issued a NJ. handicap permit. But when 20 arrows fired = 2 days of Advil for pain, my practice sessions with a regular bow are very limited. But I do practice, shooting through the pain, so I can be proficient enough to bow hunt in a state that does not allow crossbows to be used.
I know this is a hot issue, that will probably light a few people up, but let's just stay with the facts, and leave the emotions at the door ( DAMMIT )
last feb i had an accident while at work, i fractured both radial bones left and right arm. right arm has 4 screws and a plate, the sugeron says the bone didn't heal after 6 months. it hurts to pick up a gallon of milk. i will not try to pull my bow back, i take enough pain killers now. i've been shooting a bow for 36 years, and got very good. i miss shooting. going in jan to have the plate, screws, and radial bone ttaken out. they say being it didn't take, they are just going to throw everything away including the bone. i may be a candidate for crossbow in the future, hoping this sugery is going to help, if not i may be crossbow hunting next year. i enjoy the woods during archery season to never bow hunt again. and i don't consider myself disabled.
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Bacs, thats what NJ says a bow is.
For years this has been a biggy going on with Archers, First it was with Traditional v Compound.. I beleave CrossBows Should be in Archery season for anyone that wants to use it.
I would Vote YES.
For years this has been a biggy going on with Archers, First it was with Traditional v Compound.. I beleave CrossBows Should be in Archery season for anyone that wants to use it.
I would Vote YES.
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Night,
I'm not sure where you heard that NJ has a "strict" handicapped permit process. I don't know of anyone with a real disability that was ever turned down. If you have problems steadily holding back minimum weight, get a doctors note and apply.
NY, on the other hand is just plain ridiculous and the leaders of that state's bowhunting organization should be ousted.
I'm not sure where you heard that NJ has a "strict" handicapped permit process. I don't know of anyone with a real disability that was ever turned down. If you have problems steadily holding back minimum weight, get a doctors note and apply.
NY, on the other hand is just plain ridiculous and the leaders of that state's bowhunting organization should be ousted.
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From Webster's dictionary:
Bow :
2 : a weapon that is made of a strip of flexible material (as wood) with a cord connecting the two ends and holding the strip bent and that is used to propel an arrow
Also, I've spoken to some people involved in the NJ permit "process " and was told that as long as you " can " pull a regular bow back you will be denied. They don't care that you might be able to pull it a few times "OK " , but drawing it enough times to be proficient causes real pain.So I was told that I would be wasting my time going through their testing procedure. Which is quite extensive.
In Pa. I had a doctor fill out the application, noting that my injury caused pain while drawing a bow. Submitted it with $5, and received a LIFETIME PERMIT.
Her's the Application for Pa.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/huntrap/disabilities/crossbow_application.pdf
I remember when they added the 2 early muzzle loader deer days, several years ago. The shotgun hunters ( deer clubs )down here in the South were livid. They didn't want anyone to have an "advantage" by getting to the deer " earlier " than they did. I actually took reports on Musket hunter's windshields being broken and tires slashed during the EARLY SEASON. There is no reason for this jealousy.
Believe me there are plenty of deer out there.
Bow :
2 : a weapon that is made of a strip of flexible material (as wood) with a cord connecting the two ends and holding the strip bent and that is used to propel an arrow
Also, I've spoken to some people involved in the NJ permit "process " and was told that as long as you " can " pull a regular bow back you will be denied. They don't care that you might be able to pull it a few times "OK " , but drawing it enough times to be proficient causes real pain.So I was told that I would be wasting my time going through their testing procedure. Which is quite extensive.
In Pa. I had a doctor fill out the application, noting that my injury caused pain while drawing a bow. Submitted it with $5, and received a LIFETIME PERMIT.
Her's the Application for Pa.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/huntrap/disabilities/crossbow_application.pdf
I remember when they added the 2 early muzzle loader deer days, several years ago. The shotgun hunters ( deer clubs )down here in the South were livid. They didn't want anyone to have an "advantage" by getting to the deer " earlier " than they did. I actually took reports on Musket hunter's windshields being broken and tires slashed during the EARLY SEASON. There is no reason for this jealousy.
Believe me there are plenty of deer out there.
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Not true. Here is the application with details: (free)
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/pdf/dis30102.pdf
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Paul makes a lot of valid points about the use of xbows. I used to be very against the use of a x-bow for anyone without a disability, but Im beginning to come around. I dont think it would have the effect on seasons as much as most of us believe. After talking with people from states that have allowed even able-bodied hunters to use a xbow, it seems there is nothing to worry about. Hunter numbers dont increase dramatically to the point of overcrowding. Poachers dont start running around toting xbows, people dont start wounding animals...etc. I think our fears of it being an unfair advantage are unfounded as well.
I used to feel like they (x-bow hunters) would have a large advantage over us, taking more deer. But consider the fact that compound shooters have a distinct advantage over trad shooters. Was allowing a compound into the archery season fair? So while the difference is vast, is it really enough to stop some folks from trying the sport of archery? In my opinion its not. Perhaps some folks introduced with a crossbow, will eventually switch over to a compound or trad bow.
When you take into consideration that Paul is just a nice guy trying to enjoy a sport he loves, I cant be the one to say he cant do that anymore. I think everyone should be able to get out there with a bow, or xbow, if thats what they choose, and enjoy the wonderful sport of bowhunting.
When it boils down to it, bowhunting is about two things. Getting CLOSE to the animals, and putting a razor sharp broadhead through the vitals. Do those two things, and you are a bowhunter in my opinion.
I used to feel like they (x-bow hunters) would have a large advantage over us, taking more deer. But consider the fact that compound shooters have a distinct advantage over trad shooters. Was allowing a compound into the archery season fair? So while the difference is vast, is it really enough to stop some folks from trying the sport of archery? In my opinion its not. Perhaps some folks introduced with a crossbow, will eventually switch over to a compound or trad bow.
When you take into consideration that Paul is just a nice guy trying to enjoy a sport he loves, I cant be the one to say he cant do that anymore. I think everyone should be able to get out there with a bow, or xbow, if thats what they choose, and enjoy the wonderful sport of bowhunting.
When it boils down to it, bowhunting is about two things. Getting CLOSE to the animals, and putting a razor sharp broadhead through the vitals. Do those two things, and you are a bowhunter in my opinion.
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In the NJ application it states that "pain or lack of endurance alone cannot be used as grounds for granting a crossbow permit "
In other words this State does not care that you are unable to practice with your bow due to pain or lack of endurance. So it's OK to go into the woods with a lack of proficiency that may cause the wounding and loss of game ?
[confused]
I'm going to try the NJ permit process, but I think it will be a dead end.
I just finished my practice session with my Crossbow for Pa.
Now I'm heading out to practice with my New Switchback. I have all the essentials laid out, Bow, Arrows, Release, Target, AND A BIG BOTTLE OF ADVIL:
In other words this State does not care that you are unable to practice with your bow due to pain or lack of endurance. So it's OK to go into the woods with a lack of proficiency that may cause the wounding and loss of game ?
[confused]
I'm going to try the NJ permit process, but I think it will be a dead end.
I just finished my practice session with my Crossbow for Pa.
Now I'm heading out to practice with my New Switchback. I have all the essentials laid out, Bow, Arrows, Release, Target, AND A BIG BOTTLE OF ADVIL
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Boy NY State is off the wall. What the heck is a " breath tube "
That might be like aiming and shooting while breathing through a snorkle. Talk about breath control
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As it stands today in NY, if you are able enough to move your fingers you are too "able" to use a crossbow in NY.
There is legislation in NY pending that will allow truly handicapped people the right to use crossbows during regular archery season.
Believe it ot not, New York Bowhunters (the organization) are the lead OPPOSITION against this. The this is because the president of NYB, Kevin Armstrong, is the head of a national anti-crossbow group and that organization is run by it's president rather that the will of it's members.
There is legislation in NY pending that will allow truly handicapped people the right to use crossbows during regular archery season.
Believe it ot not, New York Bowhunters (the organization) are the lead OPPOSITION against this. The this is because the president of NYB, Kevin Armstrong, is the head of a national anti-crossbow group and that organization is run by it's president rather that the will of it's members.
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Well as it stands now 55.15% say YES for the crossbow and 43.11% say NO...1.75% are undecided.
You still have to be able to judge, aim, kill and track no matter WHAT you hunt with. It's a sport with challanges and I thought that's why we all did it.
You still have to be able to judge, aim, kill and track no matter WHAT you hunt with. It's a sport with challanges and I thought that's why we all did it.
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well, lrt me say this; i once had a conversation with a guy when i first got into archery, and to make a long story short , he said and i quote(the only way i would bow hunt is if i can hunt with a crossbow because i wouldnt have to practice) thats exactly the type of person i dont want to see in the woods!! and theres many many more with thet attitude. sorry, but no crossbows ! with the exception of handicapped.
I'm sure that 90% of gunhunters DON'T PRACTICE and thier in the woods. Like myself. I'll take 5-10 shots with my shotgun,7mm Rifle,and ML just to make sure my scope is zeroed in. Same as a person with a crossbow, You have a scope you sight it in with a few shots and your done.As long as you sight it in before each season your fine. Crossbows should be a option. let's start out on private land or clubs with leased land and see how it goes. State game land will be later.
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Hey, I might be one step closer to a NJ handicap permit. I dumped my Duel Sport dirt bike tonight at about 20mph. You would be surprised how hard sand can be. First thing to hit was my left shoulder ( the bad one ). It would probably hurt more than it does, if I wasn't already full of ADVIL from shooting my bow this afternoon.
Not a mark on the bike.Can't wait to see how I feel in the morning
Maybe this is a wake up call that I've reached my limit. I've survived : Sky Diving, Shark diving, Rock climbing, drag racing dragsters & motorcycles,and lotsa falls off of horses. And a little ol' dirt bike almost does me in?
Maybe I am gettin' old.
But then again I was supposed to go HANG GLIDING off the cliffs in Hawaii next year
Not a mark on the bike.Can't wait to see how I feel in the morning
Maybe this is a wake up call that I've reached my limit. I've survived : Sky Diving, Shark diving, Rock climbing, drag racing dragsters & motorcycles,and lotsa falls off of horses. And a little ol' dirt bike almost does me in?
Maybe I am gettin' old.
But then again I was supposed to go HANG GLIDING off the cliffs in Hawaii next year
I would give the crossbow a "yes" vote! Just another great way to enjoy the outdoors! Just because it isn't your way ..doesn't mean it's the wrong way! If it gets even a small amount of new hunters out there and into this great way of life, then it sounds like a good thing to me!!!! There are plenty of deer for all hunters in all the seasons for all the weapons they want to use![up]
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I vote YES!!![up][up][up]
I may bust a lot of chops with some of you guys on this site, but this is one subject I take to heart and am VERY serious about.
Nightstalker911 makes many valid points that I whole heartedly agree with being a disabled hunter, myself.
I loved traditional bow hunting for 16+ years, and was very good at it, but was ready to give it all up due to degrading physical conditions (loss of function and loss of range of motion) with my shoulders, arms, and hands.
Last year was the toughest year I ever had, physically being unable to draw the bow back to full draw, unable to properly knock arrows, inability to hold and steady the bow at draw, etc..., and wounding deer that would normally have been easy "bags" when my hands and arms were working better in years past....It was disgraceful and was outright a damned shame and unsportsmanlike, so I cut my season short last year.
I received my NJ Disabled Hunter Crossbow Permit earlier this year (as was previously posted) which is "indefinite" / has no expiration date. The permit must be used in conjunction with a NJ Archery License and any applicable Permit Bow Season permits.
Nightstalker911 - I can help explain the entire process about getting the NJ Disabled Hunter Crossbow permit.
Loss of Range of Motion and Loss of Use are the two injuries that will allow you to get the permit. There are specific tests that are performed to prove your disability for loss of range of motion that are specified in the application.
I had my Primary Care Physician, Hand Surgeon, and Physical Therapist all certify my disabilities, with the Physical Therapist having performed the 9 hole peg test, pinch/grip tests, etc... on me to further support the proof of disability of loss of range of motion and document the loss of function.
If you do not qualify for the crossbow, there are other exceptions that can be allowed with a special permit to modify your compound bow for disabled hunters.
gypsy - good luck with the operation and if you need any help in understanding the NJ Disabled Hunter Crossbow Application or process feel free to e-mail me @ [email protected]
I may bust a lot of chops with some of you guys on this site, but this is one subject I take to heart and am VERY serious about.
Nightstalker911 makes many valid points that I whole heartedly agree with being a disabled hunter, myself.
I loved traditional bow hunting for 16+ years, and was very good at it, but was ready to give it all up due to degrading physical conditions (loss of function and loss of range of motion) with my shoulders, arms, and hands.
Last year was the toughest year I ever had, physically being unable to draw the bow back to full draw, unable to properly knock arrows, inability to hold and steady the bow at draw, etc..., and wounding deer that would normally have been easy "bags" when my hands and arms were working better in years past....It was disgraceful and was outright a damned shame and unsportsmanlike, so I cut my season short last year.
I received my NJ Disabled Hunter Crossbow Permit earlier this year (as was previously posted) which is "indefinite" / has no expiration date. The permit must be used in conjunction with a NJ Archery License and any applicable Permit Bow Season permits.
Nightstalker911 - I can help explain the entire process about getting the NJ Disabled Hunter Crossbow permit.
Loss of Range of Motion and Loss of Use are the two injuries that will allow you to get the permit. There are specific tests that are performed to prove your disability for loss of range of motion that are specified in the application.
I had my Primary Care Physician, Hand Surgeon, and Physical Therapist all certify my disabilities, with the Physical Therapist having performed the 9 hole peg test, pinch/grip tests, etc... on me to further support the proof of disability of loss of range of motion and document the loss of function.
If you do not qualify for the crossbow, there are other exceptions that can be allowed with a special permit to modify your compound bow for disabled hunters.
gypsy - good luck with the operation and if you need any help in understanding the NJ Disabled Hunter Crossbow Application or process feel free to e-mail me @ [email protected]
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