i have better trail cam pics. that tine had like a bump in it, i guess it was a weak spot when he was rubbim the velvet off it broke off. I had him in every nite and let him go two times at 8 yards. decided that he was a good buck after watching the footage and leter rip. grim reepers and hoyt bows deadly combonation man. didnt go far...its a must see vid thats for sure.