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Audubon Society labels deer a threat and pushes for hunt
Monday, March 14, 2005
BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND LAWRENCE RAGONESE
Star-Ledger Staff
For the first time in its 108-year history, the New Jersey Audubon Society is taking a stand on hunting and will ask the state to reduce the population of white-tailed deer.

In a special report to be released today, the bird-watching group says white-tailed deer have become an ecological "stressor" for birds and other wildlife by eating away the natural landscape. Hunting, the report says, is a viable option to bring the deer population down to a manageable number that doesn't eat through thousands of acres of forest underbrush.

The group is also considering opening some of its own preserves to hunters.

"I can't look at myself in the mirror anymore," said Eric Stiles, vice president for conservation and stewardship of New Jersey Audubon. "As stewards of the forest, we have to do something to stop this disaster."

In advocating deer hunting, New Jersey Audubon is breaking its silence on the issue.

"It's good to see Audubon coming out on this issue because we all see that the deer are causing a major problem for other forms of wildlife," said George Howard, a biologist and former director of the state Division of Fish and Wildlife, which monitors wildlife populations and hunting. Howard is now the conservation director for the New Jersey Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs.

The Audubon Society is calling on state wildlife authorities to revamp deer management strategies, and claims hunting policies are geared too much toward keeping enough deer around for sports hunters rather than seriously reducing the state's herd of nearly 200,000 white-tail.

The report also concluded deer management methods such as fencing and birth control have very limited impact, and that the state's entire ecology is at stake.

"We are not demonizing deer. Humans created the perfect habitat for deer, with no checks in New Jersey except for your car bumper," Stiles said.

LOSS OF SPECIESIn the report, the Audubon Society underscores the voracious foraging habits of the white-tail. For decades, deer have munched away at New Jersey's plant life, leaving other creatures that depend upon it to disappear.

"We have lost 14 bird species alone," Stiles said.

One place that has been ravaged by deer is the Audubon's 3,000-acre Scherman-Hoffman Sanctuary in Somerset and Morris counties.

Rick Radis, an environmental consultant and naturalist, said he led botanical walks there for 30 years, and especially loved the early spring, when some 30 species of wildflowers and some 20 species of ferns bloomed in the forest. But he has stopped leading the walks.

"Over the years, it got harder and harder to find anything out there," said Radis, who lives in Rockaway. "The deer ate everything -- the wood anemone, the dwarf ginseng. The ground used to be carpeted with trout lilies and other flowers. They're just gone now. It's sad."

In the report, titled "Forest Health and Ecological Integrity -- Stressors and Solutions," the group also criticizes massive overdevelopment as a major problem for all wildlife.

ECOLOGICAL CRISIS"An analysis of landscape change conducted by Rutgers University has indicated that in about 40 years, New Jersey will become the first state to reach build-out. Clearly this is the most imminent threat to natural habitats in New Jersey," the report stated.

However, the Audubon Society contends, even if all remaining open space were protected today, native plants, birds and other wildlife still face an ecological crisis because of the foraging white-tail and the invasion of foreign plant species.

As the deer eat away native plants, the ground is being reclaimed by more resilient Asian and European plant species like Japanese stilt gr [no swearing please] and purple loosestrife, which the deer do not eat. In turn, native insects, birds, amphibians, reptiles and mammals are affected.

"These forest systems in the Highlands of North Jersey and some in Central Jersey are in a state of collapse," Stiles said. "This is ecological Ground Zero."

Other environmental groups have also begun to take aim at deer.

"It is our obligation to do something about it, to deal with the deer. White-tailed deer are a threat to our conservation areas," said Mike Van Clef, director of science and stewardship for the Nature Conservancy in New Jersey.

His organization will open its 14 North Jersey preserves, totaling some 5,000 acres, to deer hunting this fall.
 

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Looks like we might have another problem: people who want over hunting so that dandelions can grow.

On one side we have the antis... on the other side are the over huntis... that leaves us hunters in the middle.
 

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I actually agree though, there are certain areas that I hunt, where the quality of the deer is not that great.....because the quantity is WAY too high!

Im not saying the NJDFW is doing a bad job by any means. I dont think these people are saying that either. Simply that they need more harvests in some areas. From the sounds of it, they will be opening preserves that havent been hunted. WOOO HOOOOOO.....where do I sign up?!?!?!!!:D

I dont know anything about plants and songbirds, but I know enough to see what over-populated deer can do.

Ive seen areas so over-browsed, it looked like a grounds-crew had come through and trimmed everything in sight up to 6 feet high. :(


The less deer we have, the more quality they will be.
After you reduce the numbers where they need to be reduced to though, then you have to change the management plan to lessen the harvest. You cant keep killing the same numbers.

I see the audobon society as being on our side. To some extent at least. At least they arent out to shut us down.

Have a good one--Matt :)
 

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Nevermind......screw those people
 

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If they would be willing to do it through sound game management, (reducing certain amounts of each sex).

Then I would be right there beside them. But why must they take the bow season out. We are also doing this for recreational fun. I buy a license to fund the NDJFW, and thats who I want making wildlife management decisions.

If they want to back us, fine, but dont tell us what weapons to use and start giving us a management plan based on the "blue-balled-sap-sucker".
 

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Audubon's proposals:

- No more bow. Replace the bow seasons with shotgun.
- If its brown its going down.
- Year round hunting including Sundays.
Where was that proposed?!?

They are a supporter of Sunday Bowhunting, so where does the "no more bow" come in at?
 

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Gee, I want Campbell making all of my decisions.
I didnt say that!

Thats why you have to oppose bills such as; A2642, A2852 and A3728


And you must support bills like;
A3606, S2148


You cant just accept defeat and say, oh well they are taking over our NJDFW and replacing it with antis and politicians. You have to do something about it.

Have a good one---Matt:)
 

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oh ok.....:D

I like jokes, just not when I dont get them[confused]

hahahahaa:D
 

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Audubon's proposals:

- No more bow. Replace the bow seasons with shotgun.
- If its brown its going down.
- Year round hunting including Sundays.


These are not official, rather my belief what the Audubon yearns for.
Then please say that this is YOUR opinion in the post, and not a fact as it appeared to be in your post. I seem to remember a post on another board about DMS that got out of hand this same way.

To all:

Be careful what & how you post the things you do, more people that just "us" read them.
 

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The good thing is it looks like some of these humane people are starting to relise that hunting is needed to maintane some kind of balance! It also looks like a whole lot of acres are going to be open to hunting that haven't been. These are positives. On a larger scale these audubon people are now seeing the positive effects of controled deer hunts and will not be jumping on the anti bandwagon in future fights! A lot of good can come out of this! A LOT!
 

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Bac's

Thats a GREAT point. I noticed the edit button disapears after a lil bit of time.

I understand this is to prevent people from retracting comments, and trying to make others look stupid.

But can we email dragthor to have these messages edited or removed or have the ability to edit it ourselves after the fact?

At eders.com, we have the ability to edit every one of our posts, for as long as they exist, so long as they arent locked. No problems have occured due to this.

Do you think that would work here as well?

Just a thought.

By the way, I think this forum is one of the best...I mean, the layout and functions....top notch!

All the important info, right at our finger tips..

Thanks for it!:)
---Matt:)
 

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I was in no way trying to make anyone look bad, feel bad, or seem bad. I just wanted to make the point that if you are posting something that is your opinion, or your take on a situation, label it as such. Don't make it appear to be a fact.
Audubon's proposals:
This phrase gave the impression that Kris was posting a fact, though I know he did not intend it that way.

Like it or not, we are not the only people who read these, and other, boards. People will use posts, after twisting and manipulating them to fit their needs, against us. That is why we need to be careful about the info we post anywhere.
 

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Bacs, that other post was on the UBNJ message board. I wrote a fictitious article using fictitious (and funny names)... yet people still believed it!

BTW... members can edit their own posts... moderators can edit other members too.
 

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Kris, I meant to edit your own posts. It may have come across as editing others though. I dont expect to edit anyone elses posts.:)
If I did, theyd say stuff like, WOW Matty is the GOD of all Bowhunters and Matty is so wonderful...etc. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA Just kidding...:D

What I meant was, a day later or hours etc. It disappears after a few minutes or so...so if you re-think a comment, or want to change something you cant.

I dont mind it the way it is. It makes you think a lil more before you type it..but....just wondering if the edit button could stay there indefinitely?

Oh and to be clear....this was a joke? or this is real?

You guys are confusing me....thats not fair...you know I have turkey and trout on the brain right now. :D
 
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