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I thought that this site was going to be differant but I see that it's turning into yet another bear bashing site,thats why I pretty much stopped participating on bowsite.com. Everytime something happens with a bear someone feels that they have to report it in a way that makes us as hunters look like it is a positive thing, just so that we can have a bear hunt.It looks like we are saying"yea!!! another bear confrontation"!!! Then of course we have to hear the same old repetitive cliches like "good thing it wasn't a child" BLAH BLAH BLAH. etc,etc,etc.... Sick of it,sick of it I tell you.
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Maybe it's because it's a hot topic with hunters. Sportsmen were essentially robbed of a hunting season (one I looked forward to by the way) becuase of political action... not a scientific approach to proper game management. If the sportsmen on this site feel compelled to do post up when a bear confrontation occurs, I don't blame them. It's not as though we are cheering on the bears or want something to happen, it's a topic that intersests many of us. I actually like reading the reports, so keep em coming guys. If you don't like it, you don't have to read them... it's that simple. But don't bash the others on the sight or the sight itself.
 

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And let's remember that when the antis start printing out comments made here and using them against us. Think it doesn't happen? Go to the bowsite and ask William Jakesbeard about it, he found out at a bear hearing the hard way...Carry on boys.
 

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Where do you see bashing anyway? From what I've read so far it's been peoples experiences with bears or whats made the news. How is that bashing?
Is being concerned for my children because bears come in and around my yard wrong??? Blah Blah Blah nothing! These are points I wanted to share with other people who have the same concerns. The best part of a site like this is if your not interested in a topic you DON'T have to comment on it. There are plenty of other topics to keep you busy and happy.
As far as anti's using these posts against us??? Well I'm not sure what to think of that?[confused] What are they going to say? "See these hunters feel a hunt would help keep bear/human conflicts down"?? The anti's don't need a site like this to use against us they come up with enough BS on thier own to fuel there closed minded followers!
Don't sweat the little stuff DBuck. We are not hunting machines all programmed to think alike. We all have our own opinions and we come here to share them and to here others. Just because your opinion doesn't match mine doesn't mean either one of us is right or wrong. It just means we are individuals with different views and goals. Thats why I come here to see how other people view these topics and too learn what I can and teach what I can...

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And let's remember that when the antis start printing out comments made here and using them against us. Think it doesn't happen? Go to the bowsite and ask William Jakesbeard about it, he found out at a bear hearing the hard way...Carry on boys.
William Jakesbeard's and a few others words have been used against them. DBuck is stating the truth here.
 

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It would be interesting to know what they posted and how detrimental it was to their/our cause. Any info on this... I'm not being a smart a$$, I'm just curious.
 

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Thanks for the link... and I can see your point... but in defense of the board and it's members, I don't think we have ever posted something as incriminating as that. The worst I've read on here was a off color comment about Campbell and stuffing donuts where the sun doesn't shine... and if memory serves me correctly, it was more a bash at McGreevy. I always watch my words when I post up on the internet because you never know when it will come back to haunt you (as is evident in that link)... I just hope others do the same.
 

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I have never read of anyone on here bashing anything about bears or bear hunting. I dont know much about the bear hunting problem here, but from talking to a few of you on here, the only bashing has been because they have taken the season away from you and would like to have it back. Everyone is frustrated cause they say there is no bear problem here, but obviously there is. Everyone here vents their frustrations about the government stepping in and ruining a hunters right to hunt. all the post on here about bear confrontations are in frustration about being told there is no problem, but the more and more sightings there are it is clear something needs to be done, and the right thing to do would be to give us back the bear season, to control the issue.

As far as antis, they make up their own stories anyway, so if the see something on here, it wont matter what we say, they are stuck in a mind set that hunting is wrong and that is it, they dont need us to say anything.

I dont really get involved in stuff like this but you have no clue as to what you are saying. This is a HUNTING and FISHING site, hunting covers a wide range of game, and the opinions here are from TRUE sportsmen!!!! REporting the bear sitins on this site is a good thing for us, cause it shows that the goverment is full of [no swearing please] and they dont know what they are doing, the more bear sitings, the better it is for a possible hunting season. If you hunt bear you would want this as well, but it is obvious that you arent a true sportsmen and would rather bash US for speaking the TRUTH!!!!!!
 

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IMB I am buying you a BEER when we get together at the PUB for Clams and Lobster..!! Good post i back what you say.
 

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"We know that the hunting community is using the death of a child to further their own goal of getting a black bear hunt in our state" Written by Stu Chaveitz (any hunter that cares about our sport should know who he is)

^This is how they think and this is what I'm talking about.Go back through all the bear threads and read some of the post and you will see what I mean, I found at least 4 that they could/would take as duragative statements. If you don't get it than you don't get it,just don't let it be said that you haven't been warned.
 

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I am not a Bear hunter I only hunt what I will eat and I don't care much for Bear so I will not hunt them for trophy. But I do know there is a problem and Hunting them is needed. I have seen Bears in Dover (Morris County) And when Bears start showing up in an area like Dover then there is a problem. I know allot of it is cause of lack of habitat but it also has something to do with the fact NJ has not had a hunt since the early 70's before the last hunt they had. Bears have no predators in NJ except for cars. And yes unfortunately it would cause the death or serious injury of a person adult or child to get the point across. Management is in severe need.
 

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There is NO DOUBT that a bear hunt or other means of population reduction is necessary. (preferably a hunt)

BUT, I have to agree with Dbuck on this one, and this is what I was originally getting at in the other thread.

I can see both sides of this, we arent glamorizing or hoping for bear attacks to further the chances of a hunt (at least I hope no one is) but it sure can seem that way. And I honestly get sick of it too, some people may not be doing it intentionally, but it sure looks like we are rooting for the bears to eat people just so we can hunt them. As badly as I want to hunt them, I dont want anyone or anyones pets to be attacked just so we can prove they are a danger and need to be hunted. It should be a given that bears can be dangerous, heck even I admit that, and Im the one saying how unlikely they are to hurt you. It may be unlikely, but they certainly are capable of putting a major hurtin' on anyone.

On the other hand, The pony that died this spring was a tragedy, a tragedy that MAY have been prevented had we reduced the overall population. People opposing the bear hunt dont want to hear that, but its absolutely true.

So it comes down to the fact that we should just realize we are ALWAYS going to be under scrutiny from the antis and that we have to watch what we say.

Have a good one all---Matt
 

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M.A.D.D did it with Drunk driving. They posted pictures of people killed by drunk drivers to make people think before they drank and drove. When they did this they did not ask for more drunk drivers they were just posting the reality of what happens when you do. And you know what it worked. I do not want someone to get hurt or killed but in the eyes of the people against it they will not see the real problem until something tragic happens. I would not like to see this. Something needs to be done before it does happen. We are hunters we see the Bears we know how many there are. Most of the people against it just sit in there home all day then go to work and all they really know is what they read. Management is well over due.
 

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DBUCK makes a valid point. I know that after many years of being called a bambi killer, the tide was turning about 4 seasons ago when people finally realized the need for deer hunting. I actually was being invited on farms and fields where just a couple of years earlier the owners would debate against me the need for hunting. Because of the bear hunt and the way "some" (not most but way to many)pro hunt people acted during the 03 season and the following year when it was called off, much of the good will generated towards hunters (deer) has been cancelled.
I would want to do nothing to hinder my ability to hunt deer. I am happy about all of the new territory available to me for deer hunting. For "me", a bear hunt, questionable in its validity or not, is not worth jeapordizing the gains deer hunters have experienced over the recent few years.
 

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Wyse,
Can you give me an example of hunters acting badly after the season was cancelled last year and in 03 when there was a hunt?? I didn't see it.

If we follow your advice and abandon the idea of a bear hunt to appease the luntic fringe anti groups out there what have we done to the sound science of wildlife management??
 

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I took the Bear hunter education course that was mandatory to hunt Bears in 03. All the hunters where told to be discrete when transporting Bears to the check station. The first day of the Bear hunt I was curious to see if any Bears had been checked in. So I went to 1 of the check stations in Sussex. (I think it was Whittingham WMA). Here comes a 4 door jeep with a Bear tied to the roof, Blood dripping down the back window. NOW THAT NOT BEING DISCRETE. Total disrespect!!
 

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DBuck,

I'm new to this forum and have been reading but not commenting to get a feel for the group (great site). When you first posted this thread I wanted to respond but held off. The recent number of bear sightings and dog - bear conflicts is making it apparent that the situation is escalating. Having said that I have to agree with you that as users of this site we should not give the anti-hunting fringe anything that can be used against hunters in a non-positive light. As ambassadors of our sport we should take the high road and not lower ourselves to the level of our opponents. That statement is in no way a bash of this site or anyone who posts here. While I understand the level of emotion that the bear season cancellation generated, that does remove from us who post here the responsibility of putting our best foot forward in presenting our case or discussing new bear related incidents
 
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