Heres the thing which I know you and Ruffhills know; when contemplating a breeding it takes hard work, research , and then ultimately understanding why a pairing is made. What is one trying to add to the line, or in some instances remove from a line? What is the breeding coefficient? What happens when a particular dog doubles up or triples up in a breeding? What health checks does both the male and female have? Have the hips certified? Will a brucellosis test be done? Have you seen the stud dog work, siblings or offsprings in the field? How is the bite on the dog, the eye color, and overall conformation? It is way more as you know then just putting two dogs together and wishing for the best?
RayG, my number is on the 1st post of mine that you felt so inclined to hijack, please contact me I'd love to complete this conversation in person. I have several places in NNJ we could talk. I also live here and have a a spot for conversation, but you'd need to sign a waiver. PLEASE LMK.
RayG, thanks for the kind words. The effort does not stop when the litter is born that is where the real work begins. Good healthy pups are not an accident, there is a tremendous amount of effort and careful research to produce a line of healthy pups, a line that has the desire and intensity in the field, the natural abilities to perform the task at hand with a blend of intelligence, desire and cooperation. That effort is put forth way before the mating. When I contemplate a breeding much thought goes into the process. Sometimes the planning process begins a year or more prior to the actual mating It is way more than just putting two dogs together and hoping for the best. It takes a ton of pre-planning as to the correct paring of dogs. Then still you hope that all of your efforts are proven when the pups mature. Proving one's efforts is the hard part as those efforts can only be measured with the environment as to where a pup is placed as a result of the efforts the new owners put in.
Goathill, There is a fellow in my gun club that has a real nice setter. I say that as not as a consideration as a stud dog but perhaps you would like to speak with him as he forgot way more about setters than I know. He may be a resource for you to contact. I have seen his dog perform in the field several times. Very nice dog hits his points very solid and has a strong nose. This person runs his dog on woodcock whenever he can and from what he tells me is a woodcock pointing fool. Everyone starts from the same point the beginning. If you like to call me my number can be found on my website which is Nobellekennel.com, I would be happy to make the introduction for you. And if you would like to meet in person let me know as our club is located in Sussex County not to far from where you are,,,