Besides no one said any thing about best friends with these guys you did so wheres that leave it? All I asked is do you think its fair? You started the attack.
All these big time hunters get there way on these outfitting trips. The outfitter gets free advertisment....TV, Magazines, etc. so I do feel that for the most part these so called hunters (we are hunters) get what they want and a free hunt
Yes, Noels animals were removed but again, not because he poached them as far as anyone knows, they were all legal kills. They were removed because he tagged a penned animal as if it was killed in the wild. Then transported it over state lines.
According to what Ive read.The WR elk was spotted the year before he killed it,after he filled his tag. The bull spent a full year on public land where ANYONE could have hunted it. Why would your friend offer more money to shoot a bull on public.
As for Chuck Adams being my Idol?... No I dont have any Idols.. I do have people I admire, People like My friend Jack Spoto and other people like him who work on a state and national level to keep us all bowhunting. Bowhunting would be a better sport if new comers into it saw people like Jack, Lou Martinez,Dave Samuels, Len Cardinale and others like them as role models for what they do or have done for our sport..
Not for the number of animals they killed.
Boy, I really hate doing this, but I'm gonna keep this thread going. [smirk]
Actually, as I recall the facts, Noel didn't even shoot the deer, it was shot by someone else, and Noel decided to take it across state lines, from Mo. to Ill, and tag it with an Ill tag. The deer was shot legally, albeit behind a fence, by someone for filming purposes as I remember, but not shot by Noel.
The guy who shot it didn't want it, so Noel took it. And it was the Lacey act he violated, which deals with illegally transporting game across state lines. It was illegal for him to transport it because it wasn't tagged. It was shot in a legal manner, but then not tagged, and transported. Feather didn't shoot it because he didn't have a Mo tag, but he did have an Ill tag, and decided to take it and tag it there...if I remember all that right.
Not trying to start a war here Sugar but I never said Noel poached an animal some other guys did. I stood for Noel. The elk was living on a private ranch that had access to the bull. As for Dave Samuels he is a fine man and a brother in the Lord as well from every thing I researched on him. I try to read as much up when I see his articals because of the respect I have for him. I respect Chuch as well and all I said about him is he gets set up in some of his hunts.In set ups you become the shooter not the hunter.
The lacey act has nothing to do with P&Y or their rules, improprieties, and Illegal entries was the reason P&Y pulled all of his entries,not just the deer. His bears were removed as well.
He broke P&Y entry rules and code of ethics, thats why they were pulled.
Cat... I never specificly mentioned you in regards to Feather.
As for the elk it's fairly common knowledge that the bull was taken on public land with an outfitter on Missouri breaks public land. Its common practice for western outfitters to get the guiding rights to national forest areas where they are the only outfitters allowed in the area but that cant keep a hunter out who wants to go on his own.
"The lacey act has nothing to do with P&Y or their rules, improprieties, and Illegal entries was the reason P&Y pulled all of his entries,not just the deer. His bears were removed as well.
He broke P&Y entry rules and code of ethics, thats why they were pulled." Gunny Fern(Im not literate enough to put it in a quote box.)
Gunny, because he violated The Lacey act, that is the reason his entries were removed. The Lacey act is a Fish and game violation.
Anytime anyone has a game vilolation be it shooting deer out of season, hunting in a safety zone, or basicly anything else you can think of thats a F and G violation which includes the Lacey act, P and Y can remove ALL of your enteries not just a specific species that the act regarded.
Anytime anyone has a game vilolation be it shooting deer out of season, hunting in a safety zone, or basicly anything else you can think of thats a F and G violation which includes the Lacey act, P and Y can remove ALL of your enteries not just a specific species that the act regarded.
I understand, and know the Lacey act very well, I was just quoting what was the P&Y decision as I had read it. The Board voted his entries off, due to him violating their code of ethics, & illegal entries.
Sugar, that GL2 video camera I got from you worked out good for me...my primary had a malfunction part way through the season. Thanks. How did your buddy make out with the XL2?
Personally I don't give a s**t what these guys shoot or how many records they have, it has no impact on my life at all. Chuck Adams has a world record elk, good for him "I DON'T CARE" It's all about the Benjamins, thats it. That little 5 letter word GREED. They say that the next world record Whitetail will be worth over 1 million dollars in endorsements from all the companys that had one of there products used during the hunt. I can give two s**ts what kind of bow he was using or what pair of boots he wore that day. But there are alot of morons out there who do which means $$$. Personally I can say that I've never have bought any type of equipment based on what some yahoo on a magazine cover or TV uses. Like maybe if I use the same camo as Bill Jordan I'll have all of these Booners running all over my hunting spot, or maybe if I buy the same golf clubs that Tiger Woods uses I'll be on the PGA Tour, I don't think so. It's $$$ that drives alot of these types of people to do what they do. The more big animals they tag in, the more money they get. That's why you will never see a video titled Monster Spikes, or Jack Bittingham's Does Gone Wild.
Sugar, to use the white quote box, all you do is, left click and hold, then drag on all the text you want in the quote. Release the left button and the text should be in blue. Then click on the "Quote" button and it will install the copied text. [up]
Sugar, to use the white quote box, all you do is, left click and hold, then drag on all the text you want in the quote. Release the left button and the text should be in blue. Then click on the "Quote" button and it will install the copied text.
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