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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 11:29 AM | ||
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you can kill someone with a 22 if you hit the right spot Yea i totally agree with this however the idea is to stop the person. Shoot a crackhead with a .22 they might die but when? In a few hours? In a day? the idea is to shoot someone and put them down for the count so they cannot continue their assault. __________________ shooting ducks and killin bucks
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 11:34 AM | ||
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and you dont think 410 buckshot at 3 yards will do that? you have 5 shots in that pistol __________________ "I hunt, therfore I am..."
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 11:35 AM | ||
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Well who is saying they arent armed? __________________ shooting ducks and killin bucks
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 11:37 AM | ||
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even if they are you still going to fire arent you? unless they come in wearing a flack jacket a gun doesnt stop bullets __________________ "I hunt, therfore I am..."
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 11:49 AM | ||
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i guess you didnt get my comment about taking them out of the fight. just because you shoot them once with the pussy ass taurus doesnt mean they are going to stop shooting at you. __________________ shooting ducks and killin bucks
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 11:52 AM | ||
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shot placement... __________________ "I hunt, therfore I am..."
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 11:56 AM | ||
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shot placement... your kidding right? shot placement with 2in barreled shotgun. yea ok. __________________ shooting ducks and killin bucks
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 12:00 PM | ||
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Why is it ultramag always starts these controversial threads...
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 12:01 PM | ||
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your kidding right? shot placement with 2in barreled shotgun. yea ok. What i was trying to say if i were to shoot someone with a judge at a 6-8 foot range (most of the time like i said it would be around 3-4 feet) with those defense rounds i posted they will stop. if i shoot them with 1 or 5 either way that threat is eliminated. and if you mixed it up with the first few shots as the .410 defense roudns and then had 45 lc rounds even better. __________________ |
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 12:11 PM | ||
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thats what im getting at its a CQB gun...not for long shots down a hallway but if somone comes into your room while your in bed it would be pretty hard to miss with it __________________ "I hunt, therfore I am..."
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 12:17 PM | ||
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If you want a shotgun for self-defense then get a shotgun. If you want a handgun for self-defense then get a quality revolver or pistol in an appropriate caliber. The Judge is like the handgun equivalent of all-season tires; passable for most varying road applications and conditions, but great at none of them. __________________ "The best smell is the smoke curling from a just-fired paper shell"
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 12:29 PM | ||
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i agree with you setters... im not saying this is the ultimate home defence pistol by any means. but for upclose and personal it will get the job done and thats about it. __________________ "I hunt, therfore I am..."
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 12:32 PM | ||
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 12:34 PM | ||
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exactly my point __________________ "I hunt, therfore I am..."
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 2:32 PM | ||
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For God's sakes.
The Judge is a gimmick. It's an extremely unsuitable weapon for home defense, despite what the advertising will tell you. Taurus handguns in general are also not well known for being durable or well made. The last time I saw someone detail strip an S&W and compare it to a Taurus, it turned out just as I expected. The Taurus had, to be charitable about it, a few issues. Piss poor heat treatment and casting methods. Under no circumstances would I rely on a Taurus as a serious home defense weapon. Furthermore, 410 bore shotshells are extremely poor for self defense, regardless of the load. The very bare minimum requirement for a cartridge is that it needs to be able to get 12 inches of penetration against a badguy to ensure that your shot can reach something vital that will stop him from assaulting you. 410 bore shotshells don't reach 12 inches. Even the slugs only get about 8 inches or so. The buckshot pellets only get 4 to 5 inches penetration and they only weigh 62 grains. I have serious doubts about that light of buck pellets penetrating things like ribs or sternums. 45 Colt with a hollow point will get around 13 to 15 inches of penetration. However, if you want to use a 45 Colt revolver for self defense.....get a properly made 45 Colt, not a damned Taurus. The extra long cylinder throats required to chamber the 410 shotshells greatly degrades both accuracy and muzzle velocity of the 45 Colt cartridges. Someone upthread mentioned you could stop someone with a 22 with good shot placement. Some commonly available 22 cartridges will also reach the 12 inch penetration requirement. Frankly, you are better off with a Browning Buckmark loaded with CCI Velocitors than a Taurus Judge loaded with any 410 shotshell if your purpose was self defense. The judge is a gimmicky weapon that's good for shooting snakes or just for kicks. To advertise it as effective for self defense puts people's lives in danger because it encourages them to purchase this poorly made, inadequate firearm for that purpose. A test of the judge and its performance can be seen here If you want to buy one for kicks, be my guest. If you buy one for self defense, you're risking your life and that of your family. |
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 2:40 PM | ||
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Ever since Taurus decided to work with NJIT to develop "smart gun" technology I started viewing Taurus as a company that I will never buy from.
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 3:02 PM | ||
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Some interesting comments though i dont see the need for argument. __________________ No matter what happens, whether you succeed or not, if you stand up and do it right and pay attention, hunting will always give you what you need. It may not be what you were looking for, but it will absolutely be important enough to justify whatever you did to get it.”
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 9:47 PM | ||
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Some interesting comments though i dont see the need for argument. True but i'm happy to see that at lease some people under stand what i'm saying 410 round 5 shots 1-10 yards or so does the job. not the best weapon but it does the damn job, thank you and good night  __________________ ONE SHOT ONE KILL
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2010 7:29 AM | ||
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The 410. has the punch of a 41 magnum, of course it will drop someone to the body, in fact they will most likely get dead from it. __________________ I shoot ruddy ducks and eat them.
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2010 9:07 AM | ||
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i guess you didnt get my comment about taking them out of the fight. just because you shoot them once with the pussy ass taurus doesnt mean they are going to stop shooting at you. OHHH, A fan boy. This comment explains in it. Your not going to win the argument with him. No where did it say buck shot, did you even watch the video? Did you see the pattern on the target at close range? two shots and you will stop them in their tracks. The 2 1/2 inch game loads carry 1/2 ounce of shot in sizes 4, 6, and 7 1/2. With #7 1/2 shot this amounts to about 175 pellets per shell. __________________ The decline of people is their endless pursuit to trade time for money.
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2010 9:22 AM | ||
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that has been my point the whole time...at close range a .410 will get the job down with out a problem __________________ "I hunt, therfore I am..."
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2010 4:11 PM | ||
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One(1) 000 buck pellet (approx. .36 cal.) traveling at shotshell velocities, which we can assume would be somewhere in the range of 1100 to 1200fps in a short-barreled revolver; possesses about 200-220 ft.lbs. of energy. Each 000 pellet weighs only 65 grs. Individually it's diminutive and ballistically inept. In comparison, one pellet's energy from the .410 shotshell is less than the energy of a good modern .38 Spcl. defense load fired from of a 2" barreled snubbie. Of course, energy goes up as you combine each additional 000 pellet provided each impacts on the target. Th .410 shotshell is a round used by either experts or beginners on the skeet range or the hunting fields. Would you want to rely on this round for self-defense? Just some food for thought. __________________ "The best smell is the smoke curling from a just-fired paper shell"
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