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Govt. can't run Social Security why should we trust them with health care.

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This healthcare bill will ruin america. Health Insurance companies are one of the largest contributers toward drug research. Without drug research medicine can not get better and drugs are one of the last goods that america actually exports will suffer. Export is one of the most important things a country must have to maintain a stable economy. If pharm companies go under we are left to selling the foreigners Levi's. This is a devilish bill that will bankrupt America and at the same time provide health care for people that didn't put in the time in school or in a trade to work for a company that is willing to provide it for them.

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How in the world does the post office run a 7 billion dollar deficit?

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Should I keep going archer36?

Yes, because what you said so far is B.S.

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The more pointed question is why would any true American be for it?

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Archer36 and Izema you have not addressed this question.

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You know why we oppose it it is a step toward socialism

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Adding Medicaid to the Medicare system is why it is going broke, yet "some" think Government is always the answer, IT IS NOT!!

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come on hollowpoint tell them the ww 2 generation What Have You Done For Me Lately why do i have to pay for your health care

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You know why we oppose it it is a step toward socialism
will hollowpoint i guess we need to stop Medicare and Medicaid to that is government run health care [aka] in your word socialism so we need you yes you to tell all the old people the ww 2 generation that we will not pay for there government run health care any more

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The only thing they run efficiently os the IRS

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This country isn't run by the govornment

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I really don't understand the health care propsals all that much.

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No on is talking about putting an end to Medicare

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i suspect that you and a lot of other people on hear just don't want and don't like the fact that a black man is President and can not get over it but don't have the gut's to say it you know you want to so come on grow a pair and say it it has Nothing to do with socialism its all about blackism

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Those pushing this monstrosity also want to give health care to ILLEGALS, all for votes!

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Medicaid is free crappy coverage for welfare recipients

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This country isn't run by the govornment

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Another misconception of the anti's. No one can be refused emergency medical treatment at a hospital. This has been the law for soooooo many years. Now you want to attribute it to HC reform. That's B.S.

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you and a lot of other people on hear just don't want and don't like the fact that a black man is President and can not get over it but don't have the gut's to say it you know you want to so come on grow a pair and say it it has Nothing to do with socialism its all about blackism

Posted: 06 Mar 2010 6:31 PM
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Posted: 06 Mar 2010 8:34 PM
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Quote: Govt. can't run Social Security why should we trust them with health care. The only thing they run efficiently os the IRS __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target MOLON LABE WWRD Member: NRA,ANJRPC,SFFC https://themorristownteaparty.org/Home_Page.php

Posted: 06 Mar 2010 8:44 PM Last Edited By: UltraMag77
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This healthcare bill will ruin america. Health Insurance companies are one of the largest contributers toward drug research. Without drug research medicine can not get better and drugs are one of the last goods that america actually exports will suffer. Export is one of the most important things a country must have to maintain a stable economy. If pharm companies go under we are left to selling the foreigners Levi's. This is a devilish bill that will bankrupt America and at the same time provide health care for people that didn't put in the time in school or in a trade to work for a company that is willing to provide it for them. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity" Randy Pausch The Last Lecture. It all means nothing if you don't hit em in the goods.

Posted: 06 Mar 2010 9:02 PM
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Quote: This healthcare bill will ruin america. Health Insurance companies are one of the largest contributers toward drug research. Without drug research medicine can not get better and drugs are one of the last goods that america actually exports will suffer. Export is one of the most important things a country must have to maintain a stable economy. If pharm companies go under we are left to selling the foreigners Levi's. This is a devilish bill that will bankrupt America and at the same time provide health care for people that didn't put in the time in school or in a trade to work for a company that is willing to provide it for them. You are going to rile up the Liberals with all your facts and truths. __________________ Anyone Had Enough "hope and change" Yet?

Posted: 06 Mar 2010 9:03 PM
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How in the world does the post office run a 7 billion dollar deficit?

Posted: 06 Mar 2010 9:24 PM
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Quote: How in the world does the post office run a 7 billion dollar deficit? Because unlike the private sector where you are actually accountable, the gov't can just raise taxes to cover crap like this. There is no incentive and no accountability in gov't. Yet many mindless morons in this country ( and on this site ) want to turn over healthcare and anything else to the feds. Truly unbelieveable. __________________ Anyone Had Enough "hope and change" Yet?

Posted: 06 Mar 2010 9:33 PM Last Edited By: 230grain hollowpoint
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Quote: This healthcare bill will ruin america. Health Insurance companies are one of the largest contributers toward drug research. Without drug research medicine can not get better and drugs are one of the last goods that america actually exports will suffer. Export is one of the most important things a country must have to maintain a stable economy. If pharm companies go under we are left to selling the foreigners Levi's. This is a devilish bill that will bankrupt America and at the same time provide health care for people that didn't put in the time in school or in a trade to work for a company that is willing to provide it for them. You got that right......Socialist medicine will put an end to advances in medical research. If there is no profit in it who is going to do research. When was the last time any meaningfull medical research came out of the Soviet Union...perhaps Pavlov's dogs One of the most ridiculous examples if this is the debate about government funding of embryonic stem cell research. If there was any real promise to it the drug companies would be on it like flies of $hit. Liberals and feminazies push government funding of embryonic stem cell research to validate abortion not because it is worthwhile research. __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target MOLON LABE WWRD Member: NRA,ANJRPC,SFFC https://themorristownteaparty.org/Home_Page.php

Posted: 06 Mar 2010 9:50 PM
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Quote: Quote: Should I keep going archer36? Yes, because what you said so far is B.S. Archer, do your research and dont believe what the liberals in favor the bill would have you believe... I have and have a pretty extensive list of why Im opposed... just one example of why Im opposed to this bill (and there are many) is the "cost sharing" that is proposed. It says that an individual may have to contribute up to $5000 for his/her coverage... a family of four may have to contribute up to $10,000 per year for thier coverage. Some families and individuals are currently paying this amount for thier coverage so they will be paying the same even if the bill is passed... the difference is the services provided will degrade severely as they did in canada and other countries with socialized medicine (even those in the medical profession will tell you this). But the operate word there is "may" I interpret this (as does anyone who sees the socialist "share the wealth" agenda) as anyone gainfully employed will be paying at least a portion into the government run system... but those on welfare will ofcourse be covered free of charge __________________ Life Member NRA, NAHC, NAFC Member NJWF, NWTF, NJFSC, UBNJ Recording Sec. SORG NRA certified instructor and RSO

Posted: 06 Mar 2010 9:57 PM
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Quote: The more pointed question is why would any true American be for it? Archer36 and Izema you have not addressed this question. __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target MOLON LABE WWRD Member: NRA,ANJRPC,SFFC https://themorristownteaparty.org/Home_Page.php

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 6:52 AM
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Quote: Archer36 and Izema you have not addressed this question. They are tryong to think of other things that Bush did wrong, it's his fault. __________________ Anyone Had Enough "hope and change" Yet?

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 7:07 AM
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5. 10 years of paying higher taxes for this and only 6 years of coverage, talk about BS archer36. __________________ Bear Instict 65lbs. Whisker Biscuit rest 100gr. Muzzy broadheads 3 blade UBNJ,NRA member

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 7:50 AM
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Those pushing this monstrosity also want to give health care to ILLEGALS, all for votes! The "working class" will also PAY for THEM, which will take away from YOUR families. With so many Americans being unemployed, won't even be enough taxes to pay for this fiasco. YOUR children and THEIR children, ect will PAY this huge debt!! Obama is all about SOCIALISM and so is Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, and the like. ALL Americans had better wake up. YOUR health care will cost so much more than it does now. Government ruined the health care system years ago when Medicare was started. Adding Medicaid to the Medicare system is why it is going broke, yet "some" think Government is always the answer, IT IS NOT!! Do you really want other people (who are NOT medically trained, BTW) making such IMPORTANT decisions about YOUR HEALTH & WELL-BEING? I know first hand this is NOT good. __________________ A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. - George Washington NRA Golden Eagles, ILA, NJOA & ACF member UXBNJ Secretary http://uxbnj.com/

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 7:59 AM
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Quote: You know why we oppose it it is a step toward socialism will hollowpoint i guess we need to stop Medicare and Medicaid to that is government run health care [aka] in your word socialism so we need you yes you to tell all the old people the ww 2 generation that we will not pay for there government run health care any more __________________ A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing Gene Police: You!! Out Of The Pool!Your mama is so fat, when she sings, its over

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 8:06 AM
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come on hollowpoint tell them the ww 2 generation What Have You Done For Me Lately why do i have to pay for your health care __________________ A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing Gene Police: You!! Out Of The Pool!Your mama is so fat, when she sings, its over

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 9:46 AM
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Quote: Adding Medicaid to the Medicare system is why it is going broke, yet "some" think Government is always the answer, IT IS NOT!! Psssst Seedog - Pay attention! __________________ Anyone Had Enough "hope and change" Yet?

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 11:32 AM Last Edited By: 230grain hollowpoint
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Quote: come on hollowpoint tell them the ww 2 generation What Have You Done For Me Lately why do i have to pay for your health care Quote: Quote: You know why we oppose it it is a step toward socialism will hollowpoint i guess we need to stop Medicare and Medicaid to that is government run health care [aka] in your word socialism so we need you yes you to tell all the old people the ww 2 generation that we will not pay for there government run health care any more As usual you have made an uterly stupid and uninformed remark. No on is talking about putting an end to Medicare even though it is substandard coverage for retired people. Medicaid is free crappy coverage for welfare recipients. What the Obama regime wants to do is put the entire country on sub standard health care similar to Medicaid. You need to learn something about the issues before you make these foolish comments. __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target MOLON LABE WWRD Member: NRA,ANJRPC,SFFC https://themorristownteaparty.org/Home_Page.php

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 12:14 PM
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Quote: The only thing they run efficiently os the IRS Aint that the truth! __________________ "A nation trying to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket trying to lift himself up by the handle." Winston Churchill You are born at point A and you die at point B, in between kick maximum ass! -Ted Nugent

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 12:20 PM
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I'm not much of a political type of guy. I do know that the govornment adds alot of words to everything to keep us as confused as possible. That being said, I really don't understand the health care propsals all that much. I do know that soimething has to be done to change the way health care is run now. I' m an average working guy with a relativly healthy family and I pay through the ass for insurance. This country isn't run by the govornment, it's run by the insurance companies, drug companies and lawyers.They just keep analy abusing the working guys

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 12:23 PM
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Quote: This country isn't run by the govornment Not yet thank God. When and if it is things will be much worse. __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target MOLON LABE WWRD Member: NRA,ANJRPC,SFFC https://themorristownteaparty.org/Home_Page.php

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 12:32 PM
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Quote: I really don't understand the health care propsals all that much. Don't feel bad Bro, neither does the rest of the Country after hearing our genius president try to explain it a couple dozen times. Why? cause he doesn't even understand it himself. What a tool. __________________ Anyone Had Enough "hope and change" Yet?

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 1:02 PM
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Quote: No on is talking about putting an end to Medicare hell you are According to you government run health care is socialism well just to let you know for good or bad the government run's Medicare so it must be socialism OK NOPOINT A SIMPLE ? IS GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE SOCIALISM YES OR NO or is it the 3rd thing i suspect that you and a lot of other people on hear just don't want and don't like the fact that a black man is President and can not get over it but don't have the gut's to say it you know you want to so come on grow a pair and say it it has Nothing to do with socialism its all about blackism __________________ A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing Gene Police: You!! Out Of The Pool!Your mama is so fat, when she sings, its over

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 1:49 PM
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Quote: i suspect that you and a lot of other people on hear just don't want and don't like the fact that a black man is President and can not get over it but don't have the gut's to say it you know you want to so come on grow a pair and say it it has Nothing to do with socialism its all about blackism Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 1:54 PM
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Quote: Those pushing this monstrosity also want to give health care to ILLEGALS, all for votes! Another misconception of the anti's. No one can be refused emergency medical treatment at a hospital. This has been the law for soooooo many years. Now you want to attribute it to HC reform. That's B.S.

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 2:01 PM
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Quote: Medicaid is free crappy coverage for welfare recipients More B.S. You don't have to be on welfare to qualify for Medicaid. I would compare Medicaid coverage to the average Insurance coverage any day. At least Medicaid isn't questioning how the Doc's want to treat their patients like the I/C's do. With all this talk about H/C Insurance reform being more movement toward socialism, what's everyone's feeling about Medicare Part D. Remember that one Bush fans. This is what starting bankrupting the country. Everyone has amnesia about that.

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 2:04 PM
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Quote: This country isn't run by the govornment No it's run by Oil, Healthcare, and Financial corporations. They each have had their contribution to running it into a near depression.

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 2:19 PM
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Quote: Another misconception of the anti's. No one can be refused emergency medical treatment at a hospital. This has been the law for soooooo many years. Now you want to attribute it to HC reform. That's B.S. This is true. Nobody is refused emergency medical treatment but all versions of this bill gives free healthcare to illegals at the cost of the working class. Healthcare costs for working class will be much more than it is now. Is too bad too many of you who are for this bill apparently have not read it, as most of the Dems who are pushing it. It is a monstrosity, whether you believe that or not. All means MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL and LESS FREEDOMS for Americans. Unfortunately, some people fall for the catch words; such as, "change" and "reform". Those in the Progressive Movement also "misuse" those words. Even the word "liberal" is misused, these days. To be liberal is to be tolerant; however, today they are tolerant of the wrong things. Things that destroy life not improve it. __________________ A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. - George Washington NRA Golden Eagles, ILA, NJOA & ACF member UXBNJ Secretary http://uxbnj.com/

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 2:21 PM
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The health care bills are over 2800 pages. I doubt that any one representative has read these bills. We have been bombarded with mis- information from both sides of the idle. My position is simple. I want the same covearge that our senators and reps receive. This is coverage we pay for out of our tax dollars. They seem to be getting along fine with their government run programs so why not all of us. Their insurance premiun for 2008 was less that $1000.00. I don't know about any of you but mine was eight times that amount and going up every year.

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 2:28 PM
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Quote: you and a lot of other people on hear just don't want and don't like the fact that a black man is President and can not get over it but don't have the gut's to say it you know you want to so come on grow a pair and say it it has Nothing to do with socialism its all about blackism DING DING DING DING...we have a winner!!! __________________ If at first you don't succeed...don't go sky diving! Shoot Straight and shoot OFTEN... (if you do the latter the "straight" part won't be a problem)

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 2:39 PM
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AMEN TO LANDWOLF'S POST!!!!!

Posted: 07 Mar 2010 2:57 PM
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gonoles, archer and seedog- You are truly pathetic human beings. You will actually stoop so low as to play the "race card"??? Oh my god - You are TRUE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS!!! Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton will be proud of you. That is so lame. But I guess it makes you feel better. When your normal arguements don't convince anyone, just say " You don;t like him cause he's black!" How utterly WEAK and PREDICATABLE from you all. I tell you what, If Clarence Thomas ever wants to run for President I will lead his campaign. You know why? Because he's Conservative. Has nothing to do with color. But that's all YOU see. Liberals mention race and color more than anyone else. What a joke you really are. Truly sickening. __________________ Anyone Had Enough "hope and change" Yet?