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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 10:16 AM | ||
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I have never shot more then a single buck in a season with any weapon from early Sept. all the way to Feb. That being said, if I was to score on a good buck in the eraly season, then in mid Nov. a 130 class buck came out and I had a shot I most certainly would take him if I could.
In the years Ive been hunting this has never happened. I pass on more bucks then I can count every season in the hopes of seeing a really good buck. I eat tags season after season and year after year. I will say that if I am ever in a situation where I can shoot two bucks over 120" then Im doing it. like I said, I have never shot more then one buck per year but I wont commit to that unless it becomes a law and I have no choice. I look very forard to hunting season and love being in the woods. And if I was lucky enough to nail a big buck in mid Sept. I would not be happy not being able to take another good buck during the rut. As much as enjoy sitting and watching deer, it would certainly take some of the excitement away knowing I couldnt shoot a good buck if it came by my stand. The reality is, I will probably never get a shot at more then one good buck in a year but, being that I can if I want to is what keeps me going back day after day. __________________ Economic disaster begins with a philosophy of doing less and wanting more. All values must be won by contest, and after they have been won, they must be defended.
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 10:22 AM | ||
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I posted this on another thread a while ago.
Too bad positive change never seems to happen in this state  
Fixing NJ's Seasons/Bag Limits, Etc. Bag Limits: 2 bucks per hunter reguardless of weapon(s) At least one of which must have 4 pts on 1 side. 1 Doe with bow(any type), 1 doe with firearm (anytype) Additional doe tags @ $50 - $25 to state, $25 to Hunters helping the Hungry Does taken during special Parks hunts would not apply to above. Seasons: Bow: (all types) 3rd Sat in Sept. till 1st Sat. in Nov. Permit Bow: Regular bow til Dec. 31st - 3 zones ( North, Central, South) Winter bow: Jan 1 - Jan.31 Firearms: ML Mon. & Tues after Thanksgiving no permit req'd 6 (ML/Shotgun)Day the same as it is (Tradition) Permit Firearm (ML/Shotgun) Mon after 6 day til Jan 31 again 3 zones (North, South, Central) Go ahead let me have it __________________ The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 10:26 AM | ||
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Bullwinkle66, The problems come in when the state starts loosing money. If you shot say 2 bucks between early bow and extended bow then you will have no reason to buy anymore buck tags or even zone permits, or shotgun, muzzy liscence, etc. I totally understand what your saying and I agree 100%, but when the state sees they are losing money then they will make more negitive changes to recoupe that lost revenue. __________________ Economic disaster begins with a philosophy of doing less and wanting more. All values must be won by contest, and after they have been won, they must be defended.
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 10:26 AM | ||
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1. ultramag77 2. droptine 3. osod20g 4. jktoys is welcome please update if in 5. Chris n 6. mftom 7. scott borden 8. willie __________________ No matter what happens, whether you succeed or not, if you stand up and do it right and pay attention, hunting will always give you what you need. It may not be what you were looking for, but it will absolutely be important enough to justify whatever you did to get it.”
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 10:38 AM | ||
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6 buck seasons are taking a toll on the quality of deer in NJ. I was always in favor of 2-3 bucks a year, any season. But the facts show that a very low percentage of hunters actually take 6 bucks a year. Lowering the amount of buck tags really won't make much of an overall impact. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 10:40 AM | ||
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I won't commit to killing only 1 buck. I will commit to killing only good Bucks I will commit to killing only 1 buck and I will commit to killing only good Bucks 1. ultramag77 2. droptine 3. osod20g 4. jktoys is welcome please update if ur in 5. Chris n 6. mftom 7. scott borden 8. willie 9. 230 __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 10:42 AM | ||
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2. droptine 3. osod20g 4. jktoys is welcome please update if ur in 5. Chris n 6. mftom 7. scott borden 8. willie 9. 230 10. Smackdown66 __________________ Blank buck tags are not badges of yesterday's failure, but rather tickets to a better tomorrow!
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 10:44 AM | ||
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 10:46 AM | ||
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What about the ones you wound? If you wound a good one does that mean you won't shoot another? A shooter comes in an you take it and theres your 1 then the following season the one comes in you wounded and is limping bad and you decide to shoot him to mercy him??????? Thats 2 isn't it or will you leave him walk as well because you valed to be done with 1.
Most of you are talking nonsence anyway and come up with all sorts of BS just to talk to hear yourselves talk. 
No one knows what they will really do when the moment of truth comes and you have to decide? To say you are going to do this or that is just talk and thoughts!!!!!!!!!! When a car hunts 24 x 7 x 360 and takes any animal small to tall there's your real compeition not another hunter. 
Yeah let me see you turn down a potential P & Y or even a BC. Truth be told? Talk is cheap!
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 10:47 AM | ||
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I will commit to killing only 1 buck and I will commit to killing only good Bucks So if you took a 135" buck during winter bow (Jan.) then the following Nov. (during the rut) a monster 160" 12 pointer walked in front of you, you would pass? No disrespect and I dont know you personally but I have a very hard time believing that anyone would pass. Especially because you arent braking any laws. Your a much better man then me. __________________ Economic disaster begins with a philosophy of doing less and wanting more. All values must be won by contest, and after they have been won, they must be defended.
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 10:58 AM | ||
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2. droptine 3. osod20g 4. Chris n 5. mftom 6. scott borden 7. willie 8. 230 9. Smackdown66 Sorry I had to take my name off. Like jdm130 said: Quote:
if I was to score on a good buck in the early season, then in mid Nov. a 130 class buck came out and I had a shot I most certainly would take him if I could. Only my second year of bowhuntng and have only taken one buck, but have promised and already practiced only taking something larger then the previous one. __________________ UBNJ NJOA NRA
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 11:02 AM | ||
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So if you took a 135" buck during winter bow (Jan.) then the following Nov. (during the rut) a monster 160" 12 pointer walked in front of you, you would pass? January would fall in with the previous year in my estimation. __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 11:03 AM | ||
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Most of you are talking nonsence anyway and come up with all sorts of BS just to talk to hear yourselves talk. Gonna agree with Cat and the "Lawd" on this one...
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 11:05 AM | ||
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not me. screw that, kill em all. thats what the state says..im making a committment to shoot all button bucks next yr.it needs to be done i see them every sit __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 11:08 AM Last Edited By: jdm130 | ||
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January would fall in with the previous year in my estimation. How do you figure? If you hunt winter bow, you would need a liscence for that year. Say Jan. 2010 you got your liscence and wacked a good buck. Then Sept. 2010 comes around and a huge buck shows up, That is not the same year??? By my calculations they both use a 2010 liscence, no? Or is there a special loop hole to justify taking an "extra" buck that doesnt apply to your pledge? I think its commendable but it's not realistic. __________________ Economic disaster begins with a philosophy of doing less and wanting more. All values must be won by contest, and after they have been won, they must be defended.
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 11:09 AM | ||
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but when the state sees they are losing money then they will make more negitive changes to recoupe that lost revenue. Increase the regular license fees and eliminate buck tags, multiple permits etc. Think about how much you pay now. Would a $150 All around license and two $40 permits be unreasonable. __________________ The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 11:12 AM Last Edited By: Willie | ||
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Most of you are talking nonsence anyway and come up with all sorts of BS just to talk to hear yourselves talk Hey Glen ya old smacked A$$ your post says more than anyone else
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 11:19 AM | ||
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How do you figure? If you hunt winter bow, you would need a liscence for that year. Say Jan. 2010 you got your liscence and wacked a good buck. Then Sept. 2010 comes around and a huge buck shows up, That is not the same year??? By my calculations they both use a 2010 liscence, no? Or is there a special loop hole to justify taking an "extra" buck that doesnt apply to your pledge? If you hunt permit muzzloader or permit shotgun the permits are linked to the previous year. There is no gap between January hunting and December hunting. Winter bow 2010 is just an extension of the 2009 hunting season. __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 1:01 PM Last Edited By: jdm130 | ||
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If you hunt permit muzzloader or permit shotgun the permits are linked to the previous year. There is no gap between January hunting and December hunting. Winter bow 2010 is just an extension of the 2009 hunting season. I'm aware of the seasons. Again, my point is the same no matter what time of the year it is. if you take a good buck in early Sept. will you pass on a 150 class buck any other time in the woods for the rest of the year? Would you still stick to this pledge then or will that pledge have exceptions when faced with the buck of a lifetime? To me, commiting to this pledge and continuing to hunt after taking a good buck would be like quitting smoking but always keeping a pack on you that you cant smoke. Whats the point? Everyone that says they will only take one buck I would have to say is full of crap. Unless you take your buck and do not return to the woods until the next year. The temptation would be to much to hold back, especially if the biggest buck you ever had a shot at presented a perfect shot. How could anyone pass that up? Why tempt yourself at all by being in the woods after taking a trophy already? Again, I think its comendable and a noble to have that mindset. But when faced with your biggest buck, you and everyone else that said they will only shoot one buck will find themselves drawing down on their second for that season. So to commit to a single buck is a good concept, Im sure you would have a good excuse for taking a second (ie, that was my biggest buck ever). Lets be realistic, how could anyone that took a big buck pass on another monster later in the year? Cant do it, its not realistic. Why not just call it, "One buck a year pledge unless a really big buck come out" That would at least be realistic. __________________ Economic disaster begins with a philosophy of doing less and wanting more. All values must be won by contest, and after they have been won, they must be defended.
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 1:35 PM | ||
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I'm aware of the seasons. Again, my point is the same no matter what time of the year it is. if you take a good buck in early Sept. personally if I take a buck in the early season I will focus on waterfowl and phesant the rest of the year. __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 1:37 PM | ||
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Ultramag, does this pledge include management bucks? Of course not, This the pledge of loop holes   __________________ Economic disaster begins with a philosophy of doing less and wanting more. All values must be won by contest, and after they have been won, they must be defended.
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 1:49 PM Last Edited By: outdrdave | ||
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Any idea how the regulations changed in Illinois, Ohio and PA? Think it would be more important to understand how those changes happend, work to provide accurate surveys and create a win for all sports men/women. You need to understand what they learned from those changes as well - how were license sales affected over x year period? How were the overall harvest totals affected?
Brian, Those that sign this pledge are they ones already doing some type of mgmt. If you or a group decide to devote your spare time to figure out how other states implemented their program, you can make a lasting difference. The NJOA would be a great resource for you to discuss this more with. Traditional systems like what Illinois and Ohio have right now are not going to work for all of NJ, but there could be additional zone specific regulations. I believe there already is 1 zone that has antler restrictions. I know you mean well. __________________ |
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 2:03 PM | ||
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there are no loop holes. this pledge is actually very simple. whoever agrees to it agrees to take one buck period through out all seasons. i actually agree to it each fall when i sign my pa license as well. one buck falll bow firearm muzz and winter. the jersey pledge only differs in that the winter bow season is first. as for management bucks a term i hate by the way, as i said kill any buck your proud of __________________ No matter what happens, whether you succeed or not, if you stand up and do it right and pay attention, hunting will always give you what you need. It may not be what you were looking for, but it will absolutely be important enough to justify whatever you did to get it.”
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 2:19 PM | ||
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Laws are the only thing that works....you think Illinois and Iowa have 1 or 2 buck limits for no reason?
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| Posted: 06 Feb 2010 3:36 PM | ||
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Yeah like I'm going to throw back 18.9 inch fluke too
Many moons go by and they still talk nonsence don't matter in the woods or dock talk
The ones who say they won't shoot will be the first to shoot just wn't tell. Shuuuuuuuuuuuuu not I, who me??????????? Yeah you
The same pups who want to restric are the same pups going to get us into Fluke wars and disregard.
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Ohio is 1 and your done no matter if it's bow,s.g. or b.p.-on bucks Not true. Depending on the zone you can take up to 3 bucks. For example in Muskingum/Licking counties it is 3 bucks, 3 does. You of course have to buy separate tags for each __________________ "Tell 'em i'm comin'. And hell's comin' with me."
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OK, at the risk of a ton of wrath, I'm going to weigh in here. While I truly appreciate where you are all coming from - wanting bigger bucks - here are just some of the problems that nobody has addressed in this thread or many similar threads on this site.
The state's deer biologists' target is to lower the overall deer herd in the state by a factor of 2. That means they need 1/2 of the deer now living in NJ to be gone to 1) achieve a healthy herd and 2) achieve healthy forests. Contrary to some popular beliefs, it is not about selling tags. Yes, the change the other year to selling additional buck tags brought in nearly $1 million in revenue, but the bottom line is that we still have too many deer in the state. Now before you bite my head off  you all need to understand that our current herd is not healthy as far as # s go. And if you disagree, then so be it. If you do agree, then you will see that our problems do not stem from too many buck tags, but too many deer. Just thought I would mix if up a bit I fully understand that this is not a popular position amongst many of our deer hunters.__________________ Brian Cowden - Trout Unlimited Eastern Conservation Staff (Musconetcong Home Rivers Initiative Coord.)
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I pledge to shoot every buck you guys pass on,just kidding,only the big ones __________________ It's not the kill, it's the thrill of the chase
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