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Posted:  10 Jan 2010 3:00 PM
Looks like the guy in the back has lost his horns.If you look close you can see his one socket.[img]http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh100/runumngunum/1-9-10CamPic002.jpg[/img]
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Posted:  10 Jan 2010 4:05 PM

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Posted:  10 Jan 2010 4:13 PM
nice photos
Posted:  10 Jan 2010 4:17 PM
Its that time of the year.
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Posted:  10 Jan 2010 4:19 PM
Great pics Cory, perhaps you might meet up with the bigger one there before winter bow is out

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Posted:  10 Jan 2010 4:20 PM
looks like something to look foward to for next year
Posted:  10 Jan 2010 6:45 PM
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perhaps you might meet up with the bigger one there before winter bow is out
Well see what happens Will,hes showing just after shooting time maybe that change soon.
Posted:  10 Jan 2010 7:33 PM
good luck
Posted:  11 Jan 2010 8:51 AM

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Posted:  11 Jan 2010 11:09 AM
Some years they shed as late as Feb, I have seen half racks in Dec. what determines their loss of antler?
Posted:  11 Jan 2010 11:17 AM
Good picture

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what determines their loss of antler


my Theory -

Reading many articles and talking with Taxidermists that have "pet deer" in references to shed antlers I have come to the following theory. Deer in captivity with controls loose their antlers nearly to the day every year. This day corresponds directly to their birth date and is approximately 9 months from their birthday every year. Changes in Diet and weather have been done and still they loose their racks nearly to the day. This includes deer in small enclosures to those over 10 acres. Nearly all stud bucks have birth tags and papers to support this theory.

As you may know, birth dates are tied directly to conception dates. The Gestation period for whitetails is about 202 days or 7 months. This means that most fawns will drop during the first week or 2 of May as peak breading occurs the first week or 2 of Nov. Some does will bread earlier and some later. Does with out fawns can come into estrous in the first week of October in the North East and drop fawns as early as the end of March. Then 9 months later from their Birthday annually or the 2nd and 3rd week of February is when most sheds will drop.

So,
Conceived in >October<, buck Fawns born during >March< will shed some time in >December<
Conceived in >November<, buck Fawns born during >April< will shed some time in >January<
Conceived in >December<, buck Fawns born during >May< will shed some time in >February<
Conceived in >January<, buck Fawns born during >June< will shed some time in >March/April<

Why do larger bucks seem to drop first? A lot of larger bucks are earlier drops and have 15-60 days more of antler growth during the spring. These are from does that came into estrous and were bread in October. Thus these bucks drop their antlers 9 months later in the first weeks of January; they dont drop them "earlier". Some Breeder will inseminate does early in the fall so their stud bucks have a longer antler growth cycle during the spring when days are getting longer and green up is prime. I used to visit a breeder in PA, he had 3 bucks from one stud. All were 10 pts. The largest born in March the other 2 born in May. Considerable size difference with all other controls being fixed; food, shelter, climate, Water and stress factors. In the wild does that have no fawns are naturally the ones that get bread first. They are not nursing fawns, body weight is stable, and health is prime they are also socially active and ready to go. How many will be bread early depends on the health of the population. In large herds I notice more does with no fawns in late summer. In smaller herds nearly all have fawns. In high deer population areas I expect a rolling estrous across the heard. In smaller doe herds a much smaller window.

Someone recently asked for my best guess on the percentage of bucks born during March and Early April? My answer is less then 5% yearly; some years and areas maybe none.


While I have different views on deer in enclosures, we can learn a lot from them. Hopefully there is a day that shed hunting gets enough attention that a scientific study can be done, I don't think the guys on Myth busters are the answer so don't send this to them. Lol

Also wanted to add -
Some once said - thats a great theory but what about when it seems anlters in a given area all seem to fall at once, and what about solid antlers one day and fall off while laying down the next day, and I have seen bucks hold 1 antler for a month? I have an answer..... Ever had a kid?, How did you know when the baby was going to be born? Doctors can predict to the day when your baby is going to be born. Many times they are right but other factors like stress, trama, weather, complications, rapid weight loss or gain can change the date. Your significant other might be fine one day and giving birth just hours later.
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Posted:  11 Jan 2010 12:43 PM

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Posted:  11 Jan 2010 12:45 PM
dave that is such bs stop making that stuff up
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Posted:  11 Jan 2010 12:57 PM
Good theory Dave, looks like you did your research.