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Cannibals and useful idiots
Written by John Wasmuth The following is real, and it’s here. Joe Hunter goes to a cocktail party, nothing fancy, just a holiday gathering in Anytown, USA. A conversation begins with Bob Peta, it goes something like this; “Say Joe, didn’t you go deer hunting this year.” “Sure did Bob.” “Man that’s, uh, great, did you get one?” “Yep, sure did, nice 6 point.” “Uh, wow, hey that’s great. Say listen Joe, yer a true hunter, a ”Real” hunter are you not?” “Yes, I sure am.” “Say, I hear tell of a kinda huntin where people can go and kill animals in fenced in areas. You’ve never done that have you?” “No, no I haven’t.” “Well I wouldn’t call that “real” hunting, would you Joe.” “Well, that’s not the way I hunt.” “I know Joe, but there are people that hunt in fenced areas, I don’t think that’s “Really” hunting, do you Joe.” “Well, uh, I guess not.” “Great, say listen Joe, a bunch of us concerned “Real” hunters are trying to get that done away with, we feel that it is unethical. Will you help us Joe?” “Well sure, because that’s not the way I hunt, and I am a “Real” hunter.” “Say thanks Joe; here is what we need you to do. As a “real” hunter, the big boys in senate and congress will listen to you; they know that any “Real” hunter only hunts the way you do, and that’s the only “Real” hunting there is. So what we need you to do is get out there and get petitions signed, people will sign them because you are a “Real” hunter and know that only your way of hunting is the “Real” way.” So Joe diligently goes after the goal, to ban and outlaw any kind of hunting that Bob suggests is not “Real” hunting. He gathers signatures, petitions courts, makes meetings, he is really cleaning up this “unethical” way of hunting. Hell, he’s got a lot of support. He’s gathering “Real” hunters from all over, and finally, after much hard work, they get a legal way of hunting banned. “Joe, you did great and we sure appreciate your hard work, but hey, let me tell you what I heard about. There is another kind of hunting “We” think is not right. Do you think you can help us?” “Well, I guess so Bob, I don’t hunt like that, so it’s not “Real” hunting. How can I help?” “Well, here is what we need…….,” and it’s the same story. Odd how Bob seems to keep adding onto the list of what “Real” hunting is, but Joe goes at it hard and heavy, and in the end, he gets that type of legal hunting banned. Bob and his “Friends” are happy. Joe’s a “Real” hunter after all, and these other guy’s, well, they are not, because the way they hunt is different from Joe, and Joe does not like that type of hunting, so what’s the harm in getting rid of it? Joe’s a “Real” hunter you know. Not like those other guys. He even goes to Sportsman’s organizations and recruits from within, it’s easy because there are a lot of “Real” hunters there. Time passes and more and more legal forms of hunting are banned. Bob and his “friends” are happy with Joe. He’s been a big help. After it’s all just about gone, Bob and his “friends” decide that it is time to get Joe’s way of hunting banned, the final chapter. “Bob, uh, hey buddy, this is Joe. I know I helped you get rid of all those other forms of legal hunting, but now there is a move to get rid of the way I hunt.” “Well Joe, I know. My “friends” and I are spearheading that.” “But Bob, I thought you liked the way I hunt, that it was ok for me to do the type of hunting I do.” “Well Joe, no, any and all types of hunting are bad, the poor defenseless animals never have a chance, and we dislike, actually hate hunters.” “But I thought the way I hunted was “Real” hunting to you.” “Hell Joe, it was all “ Real” hunting, but we at PETA and HSUS Hate you, but thanks for all your help, we really appreciate it.” You see, what Joe became was a “Cannibal”. A “Useful Idiot” to the anti’s and PETA. They don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, or when you hunt. They just want all hunting done away with. They use hunters against hunters to gain support for their “Causes”. If you do not support any and all forms of legal hunting, and decide to pick and chose the ones you like and dislike, and voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you are in fact, a “Cannibal” and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy. There are plants even within the sacred walls of your favorite Sportsman’s organizations. Route them out, expose them, and rid the board of them. Hunting’s future depends upon it. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 9:57 AM | ||
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First They Came for the Jews First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. --Pastor Martin Niemöller Quote: We must indeed all hang together, or most assuredly we will all hang separately. --Benjamin Franklin __________________ Please don't shoot my avatar.
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 10:03 AM | ||
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BT - I got killed on Bowsite for posting about my ranch hunts. I'll defend every hunter even if they won't defend me. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 10:53 AM | ||
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Ranch hunts? Tell me more!
BTW, the anti hunters will never stop hunting. If hunting someday comes to an end it will be because of apathy and infighting within our own ranks. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 10:57 AM | ||
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Both the Anti hunting wackos and the gun control wackos have a piecmeal strategy. First assault rifles, then handguns and so on. __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 11:12 AM | ||
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http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/pla930/
Aside from the grouper - these are pics from my last trip to Texas in August (too hot!). Buffalo Creek Ranch is in the Hill Country about 2 hours from San Antonio. Several thousand acres, and a rugged hilly terrain. I've gone through a few pairs of boots there over the years. Mostly exotics there, but they are trying to keep pressure off the whitetails. Hill Country white tails are small bodied and rarely big antlered. I've bagged hogs, catalinas, corsicans, and axis deer there. I also hunt in central Florida on a cattle ranch and a few orange groves. Last few years, we haven't been able to hunt the groves because of citrus canker being spread from grove to grove. What a great place to hunt boar with a bow. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 11:16 AM | ||
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Very good thread!!!!! I agree 100% __________________ ............................................
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 11:36 AM | ||
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Aside from the grouper - these are pics from my last trip to Texas in August (too hot!). Buffalo Creek Ranch is in the Hill Country about 2 hours from San Antonio. Several thousand acres, and a rugged hilly terrain. I've gone through a few pairs of boots there over the years. Mostly exotics there, but they are trying to keep pressure off the whitetails. Hill Country white tails are small bodied and rarely big antlered. I've bagged hogs, catalinas, corsicans, and axis deer there. I also hunt in central Florida on a cattle ranch and a few orange groves. Last few years, we haven't been able to hunt the groves because of citrus canker being spread from grove to grove. What a great place to hunt boar with a bow. Very nice! Now, some cannibals and anti's would say these are "canned" hunts, even though they are on several thousand acres. I have been on fenced hunts that were only a couple hundred acres and the fences never came into play and still had a very challenging hunt. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 11:54 AM | ||
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The cattle ranch in Florida is 500 acres - the fences are about 4 feet high. Wild boar fear no fences.
If you have cover and rugged terrain you realize how disadvantaged humans are in pursuing game on foot. Thats why God gave us the power to reason. I've been attacked by some Duck hunters for hunting big-game with a scoped rifle. "How can you miss?" was usually the incredulous response. Explained to them that the vitals on a deer are no bigger than the body of a duck and very rare to have a big animal stand still for the shot.... if you can get the shot! Also, what follows the shot is as important as what lead to the shot. I support Duck Hunters, but my local DU chapter demonstrated supreme idiocy in all things non-duck. It went from being a good organization to an exclusive private club; I told them they should dissolve their charter and call themselves Ducks Only Ltd. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 12:00 PM | ||
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You see, what Joe became was a “Cannibal”. A “Useful Idiot” to the anti’s and PETA. They don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, or when you hunt. They just want all hunting done away with. They use hunters against hunters to gain support for their “Causes”. The same goes for your choice of weapon, as long as its legal support it... |
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 12:26 PM | ||
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Bravo. __________________ The 4 seasons - Almost Summer, Summer, Still Summer and Hunting Season
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 12:39 PM | ||
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 12:54 PM | ||
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I agree. It doesn't matter to me whether or not I'd hunt the same way. If it's a legal form of hunting, I will not be bashing anyone for it.
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 4:15 PM | ||
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| Pla - This DU (Dufuses Unlimited) must be on crack. It's okay to hunt ducks but not deer, etc with a scope? You could argue that a scope is more humane in that there is less chance of non-lethally wounding the animal. Conversely, a pattern of shot from a shotgun might unintentionally wound birds that are flying close together. What a double standard... | ||
| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 4:23 PM | ||
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I'm not admonishing all of Ducks Unltd, just my local chapter. I wrote the national HQ to let them know my dissatisfaction.
The problem in NJ is the division b/w types of hunters that isn't seen in any other state. With sites like New Jersey Hunter - we can bridge the gaps. Keep up the good work! __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 13 Dec 2005 9:52 PM | ||
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Speaking of fenced properties, does anyone know anything about a fenced operation in Estelle Manor? Supposedly about 5000 acres, high fenced. Anyone hear of it, or is it a myth? __________________ BOW SEASON IN NEW JERSEY ENDS FOREVER ON DECEMBER 1, 2008, RIP. HOPE EVERYONE ENJOYED IT.
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| Posted: 14 Dec 2005 12:41 AM | ||
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The problem in NJ is the division b/w types of hunters that isn't seen in any other state.
Why is that? I just don't get this or any of the other knit-picking constraints. Take the .50+ cal ban. So, it's okay if I shoot a .468 nitro express, but good heavens, don't unleash that single shot .69 cal Springfield. |
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| Posted: 14 Dec 2005 10:46 AM | ||
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The 'division in hunter ranks' is minimal and a phenomenon east of the parkway. ARA's tried to exploit this but National Chapters of Hunting Orgs tightened up. This is what occurred with Sierra Club and other 'Outdoor Orgs' as the rift between conservationists and strict preservationists widened in the 1980's.
Fortunately - as more people pursue the outdoors, the deep-pocket-impact of the 'few' anti-s will be outnumbered by the participation of more 'new' conservationists. The .50 cal ban was doomed from inception. A bolt action slug-gun or any slug gun for that matter puts this idiocy in its place. Same with the assault weapon ban or the 'smart-gun' concept that gained support during McGreevey. How about some 'smart judges' to put the criminals behind bars? Is that a foreign concept in NJ? We'll have our hands full with (King) Jon Corzine. He is anti-hunter, anti-gun, anti-liberty. The 'new' democrats in this state have abandoned their traditional 'grass-roots' constituency in favor of deep pocket limo-liberals. Mark my words, NJ is for sale to the highest bidder. As for the NJ Legislature - vote them all out! Voting anti-incumbent is the best way to clean house in NJ.... at least until we see some clear-headed politicians step up to the plate. What can you do? Support all hunting (if its illegal its poaching). Support all the shooting sports. Take a kid hunting and fishing. Join a local or State hunting organization - strength in numbers! __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 14 Dec 2005 11:25 AM | ||
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The number one reason why the anti's are a force to recon with is simple.. they are ALL on the same page when it comes to hunting. THEY WANT IT STOPPED!! fact. the one thing I see among hunters is a lack of unity though that is changing somewhat. I can remember when Traditional bow hunters bashed compound shooters and vice verca. On this site I heared the 6-day called slobgun! the user groups like the shotgunners the muzzleloaders and bowhunters are for the most part looking out for them selves. some things have changed for the better like the T.A.N.J. and U.B.N.J. joining together to form a stronger force. What we really need is to get all groups on the same page if we can do that? we would be unstopable! just my .02 cents. __________________ Hunt with a Vizsla, Cause life's to short to hunt with an ugly dog!
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| Posted: 14 Dec 2005 1:18 PM | ||
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| Good point about joining forces. I read that 20% of the Sierra Club members are hunters. They can't afford to not cater to hunters; however, I'm not advocating the Sierra Club as I think they are becoming too radical and blame the president for EVERY problem in the world. | ||
| Posted: 14 Dec 2005 1:29 PM | ||
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| im about the furthest thing from an anti but i wouldnt even call it hunting if it was "canned"........just call it shooting | ||
| Posted: 14 Dec 2005 1:48 PM | ||
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im about the furthest thing from an anti but i wouldnt even call it hunting if it was "canned"........just call it shooting I don't like certain operations, and hunting groups have punished certain operators. The unfortunate thing is that if you mention a ranch hunt to some they automatically think it is a 'canned-hunt'. I had the opportunity to hunt Africa in 2001. The ranches in South Africa have literally saved the white Rhino from extinction as well as help sable and roan populations return to suitable density. In Texas - there are more black-buck antelope than in their native ranges. The White Sands missile base has the largest oryx herd in the world. Etc.... For some reason - people think the fences are impervious. On one site - I was told that the White Sands Base was designed to keep people out and had nothing to do with its oryx population being captive. But thats what you get when you split hairs with people that have no idea what they are talking about. If you tell me that you like tower shoots.... good for you - I'll take your leftover birds if you'd like. If you like to fish in a stocked catrfish pond.... good for you - invite me to the fish fry. If you like to hunt exotics on a ranch... its your money I hope you have fun and share the pictures. I support all hunters. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 14 Dec 2005 7:33 PM | ||
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well said pla930!! __________________ Hunt with a Vizsla, Cause life's to short to hunt with an ugly dog!
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| Posted: 17 Dec 2005 11:01 PM | ||
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I agree with much that is said on this post. Most high fence operations are more about keeping game out then there game in. Genetics and there management programs are important to these operations. They only form of hunting that I can honestly say I oppose is the computer mouse click hunts. I don't think they should be allowed. If you want to do this by Cabelas "BIg Game Hunt" or something similar. As for the ranch or high fence hunts on large tracts, it's like fishing in a lake they can't get outside there fence either. Variety is the spice of life. To each their own. I've made my choice to write, photograph and report on public use lands. As I feel this is the most overlooked by outdoor writers and the most used by outdoorsmen and women alike. Also, besides getting children involved with hunting, women and close non-hunting buddies are a great pool of new hunters.
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Good one. __________________ It isn't the catch or the kill that makes for a great outdoor experience but enjoying all that God has created for us.
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ttt here you go WW. __________________ Quote: Hunting is My Heart & Soul, Without it. I'm just a empty shell. |
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The same is true when it comes to saltwater fishing. Too many organizations and as a result no one voice. In saltwater fishing the same as hunting if we had one voice we would be a voice to silence all others. __________________ "I spend most of my time fishing and bow hunting, the rest I waste"
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| Posted: 16 Jan 2006 4:42 PM | ||
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I support all hunters. we all have differences of opinion the problem starts when we start criticising each other. Divide and conquer, it has worked since the beginning of time, for man and beast.. |
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What we really need is to get all groups on the same page I agree 100% __________________ Tired of working and having too much money?..... Vote Democratic, support USA's largest urban charitable organization.
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| Posted: 16 Jan 2006 5:26 PM | ||
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Just because we may have different opinions on methods and tactics does not mean we disagree with the right to hunt. I don't agree with the NRA's position on allowing everyone to own automatic assault rifles but I belong to the NRA and support our right to "keep and bare arms". And I will fight in any way I can to support hunting. I believe in my heart everyone on this site will also fight to maintain the right to hunt. I don't question that for one minute. __________________ "I spend most of my time fishing and bow hunting, the rest I waste"
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