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I don't agree with the NRA's position on allowing everyone to own automatic assault rifles Where did you hear that?? Automatic rifles have been banned since the 30's. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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Thanks JJ,
I think with all the tension on here lately the post should be kept at the top. I think giving one's opinion is very important. When it gets a little heated on here, we all need to remember what this posts main hook is all about. That we stand together and we fight together. Read these words and remember the people that you may have differences with could and probably enjoy some of the same recreations that you do. Traditional or crossbow, inline or flintlock, waterfowl or big-game, we all have the same great intentions. To enjoy family, friends and our ever shrinking time in the wilds of our lands. Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much. Helen Keller "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent." Unknown By union the smallest states thrive. By discord the greatest are destroyed. Sallust Ryan |
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| Posted: 16 Jan 2006 8:50 PM | ||
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WOW I had never read the thread before. How did I miss it? Bloodtrail that was beautifull, for that matter all of you are so right.
United we stand Divided we fall. We have to support all type of hunting and fishing and shooting that is legal. So Simple is not even funny.  to all of you. Tony__________________ "Dont complain about your problems. There is always someone worst off then you."
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| Posted: 16 Jan 2006 9:42 PM | ||
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It's a good read and it's true,divide and conquer. But there will always be discrepencies with the way that some people hunt compared to the way that others hunt,it doesn't mean that we will try to get things abolished. Lets take baiting for instance, i would like to see it banned from public lands,not because I don't do it but because it messes up what all non baiters have been thriving on, the natural behavior of deer,their patterns and their actions. __________________ "I do not know of a greater good that an individual can render humankind
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It's a good read and it's true,divide and conquer. But there will always be discrepencies with the way that some people hunt compared to the way that others hunt,it doesn't mean that we will try to get things abolished. Lets take baiting for instance, i would like to see it banned from public lands,not because I don't do it but because it messes up what all non baiters have been thriving on, the natural behavior of deer,their patterns and their actions. Holy Cow!! I agree with a big "D" union Democrat on something. ( this would be a good place for one of those little animated characters poking a stick in the eye of another  )__________________ BOW SEASON IN NEW JERSEY ENDS FOREVER ON DECEMBER 1, 2008, RIP. HOPE EVERYONE ENJOYED IT.
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| Posted: 31 Jan 2006 9:38 AM | ||
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If you don't like ppl owning so called "assault weapons" than you should not like ppl owning any gun.don't listen to the anti's.after they ban so called "assault weapons" they will ban your hunting guns.besides fullyauto or not it is still your right to own it even tho there are restrictions.plenty of people use these so called "assault weapons" to hunt with...i could use my semi-auto ak to hunt woodchuck if i find 100 or less grn bullets for it.....
well it is completelty 100% nj legal....so its not an "assault weapon"......yes i agree we shouldn't bashe other ppls choice of what game they enjoy hunting if its 100% legal.you never know maybe you'll find yourself going after different kind of game sometime that you've never tryed before,and you may like it.....we should also not bashe different tastes in firearms people have.if you own any gun at all we are all in the same boat!!plenty of people into military rifles hunt...some people hunt with these rifles..... i don't mean any kind of offense to anyone... |
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Sneaky little sons a Ditches !!!
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bump for new folks. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 12 Sep 2006 8:12 AM | ||
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FROM BLOOD TRAILS POST: Quote:
You see, what Joe became was a “Cannibal”. A “Useful Idiot” to the anti’s and PETA. They don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, or when you hunt. They just want all hunting done away with. They use hunters against hunters to gain support for their “Causes”. If you do not support any and all forms of legal hunting, and decide to pick and chose the ones you like and dislike, and voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you are in fact, a “Cannibal” and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy. There are plants even within the sacred walls of your favorite Sportsman’s organizations. Route them out, expose them, and rid the board of them. Hunting’s future depends upon it. "and voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you are in fact, a “Cannibal” and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy." That's the part I like the best!!!! |
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Bloodtrails, good read
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| Posted: 12 Sep 2006 5:01 PM Last Edited By: luknikk | ||
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WOW if that's not a example of the pot calling the kettle black. You're right. I should have fully supported your right to strangle deer while bowhunting. So sorry. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 12 Sep 2006 5:34 PM | ||
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You're right. I should have fully supported your right to strangle deer while bowhunting. So sorry. You right.. It was my right to finish off a animal the best way I though. Just like it's your right to object to something that isn't your belife. lets just voice our opinions like a bunch of gentelman. Hell I could talk trashy and degrading to, I'd be ashamed to though I'd like to think I am much more civil. Must not say much for your charecter if that's the only way a opinion can be heard by totally bashung someone. My feelings were far from being hurt, after 36 years of life and seeing some reaaly hard facts of life I tend to laugh at the stupid thing nowadays. I spinned a buck 2 years ago with the ML and I finished him off with a shot to the head. Quick kill. I felt a rope was the best for this instance. That's just my opinion. And as far as being cheap as not wanting to waste a arrow I made 1200.00 Sun doing a boiler so I think I could have bought a few more arrows and Muzzys if I needed to. |
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Luk,
Seriously, you can get hurt badly doing what you did. It's also the reason you don't slit the throat or an injured deer. Please, always use a dispatch arrow. If strangling a deer was a good way to finish the job Jackie Bushman surely would be marketing the "Realtree Bowhunters Noose". __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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bump - a refresher course. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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You're missing the point, that discussion was about an unethical shot, a lack of respect for the animal and an incredibly stupid post. It has nothing to do with this thread. __________________ "Hunters across America must wake up to the awareness that they stand a good chance of losing their sport because of their own inaction and lassitude." Fred Bear 1975
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You're missing the point, that discussion was about an unethical shot, a lack of respect for the animal and an incredibly stupid post. It has nothing to do with this thread. No - I posted this as a 'refresher'. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 15 Sep 2006 9:29 AM Last Edited By: NJ_Bowhntr | ||
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Just a refresher...
The following is real, and it’s here. Joe Hunter goes to a cocktail party, nothing fancy, just a holiday gathering in Anytown, USA. A conversation begins with Bob Fencesitter, it goes something like this; “Say Joe, didn’t you go deer hunting this year.” “Sure did Bob.” “Man that’s, uh, great, did you get one?” “Yep, sure did, nice 6 point.” “Uh, wow, hey that’s great. Say listen Joe, you’re a true hunter, a ”Real” hunter are you not?” “Yes, I sure am.” “Say, I hear tell of some hunters just out there to kill whatever moves, you’ve never done that have ya? “No, no I haven’t, but they should be able to do it because it’s legal” “Well I wouldn’t call that the “real” meaning of hunting, would you Joe.” “Well, that’s not the way I hunt, but hey, ain’t no law against it.” Besides, the State wants us to reduce the population, so if it’s brown, it’s down. If it’s brown it’s down??? What does that mean Joe. It means if I see brown, it’s going down. Heehee. “I see Joe. Does that mean hunters just take shots willy nilly at animals without much respect for them. I don’t think that’s “Really” good hunting ethics hunting, do you Joe.” “Well, hey, who am I to judge, if they wanna do it, no biggie.” Say listen Joe, a bunch of us concerned fence sitters don’t like the sound of that and don’t think we want that kind of behavior on our property. I mean, couldn’t you be just a little more careful about the animal and the shot you take? Why should we??? It’s legal, and I support ALL hunting and hunters actions cause I’m not an anti. But Joe, even though I’m generally supportive of hunting too, I don’t think I want that stuff happening on my land. It really doesn’t sound too safe, does that happen all the time? So what are you saying Bob? Are YOU an Anti? No, no Joe, I was just asking some questions about hunting. Hey Joe, what about that thing I read in the paper where most deer die a slow horrible death from arrows, is that true? Well, not most of the time, but sometimes bad shots happen. But Joe, that Stu guy said hunters have to cut the throat of deer, strangle them, or stab them in the heart all the time to kill them. He even quoted some hunters as saying they saw the heart pumping through the hole and watched blood coming up the arrow. Are hunters really that bloodthirsty and violent? No, I’m not, but hey Bob, nature is cruel and sometimes the reality of hunting is cruel. Yeah Joe, I know, but do you have to write such graphic details in public so everyone can see that? I mean I really don’t have a problem with hunting Joe, but do we really need to read all the gory details. I gotta tell you, my wife was really turned off by that and might not let Jim and Matty back on the farm this year…now that she knows that’s what happens all the time, she is hesitant about that happening on our property. Seems a little over the top to brag about it doesn’t it? No Bob, it doesn’t. I’m not an anti, I support all hunting and hunters actions. Are YOU an Anti Bob, huh, well??? No, no Joe, just asking some questions about hunting. At the New Years Eve Bash, Joe and Bob meet again. Hey Joe, I went to the New Jersey message board that Stu guy wrote about to read up on hunting, some pretty good stuff there. Thanks Bob, I like that web site too. I wonder though Joe, how come there is so much fighting going on between hunters? Well Bob ya see, some hunters are really anti-hunters in disguise because they don’t support all hunters and hunter actions. So when they come out of the closet, we shove them back in by revealing their anti-hunting nature because they don’t support all hunting and all hunters actions. But Joe, I have to tell you, some of those hunters just seemed concerned about the way hunting was being perceived by people like me, and Frank down the street. They didn’t seem like anti-hunters, cannibals or useful idiots, just rational people who want to preserve hunting and see it passed on. Yeah well, there is your mistake Bob, unless they support all hunting and all hunter actions, they are anti-hunters and not supporting hunting. But Joe, I read some pretty outrageous things there…do you mean to tell me you think EVERYTHING posted there was good? No Bob, I don’t think it was all good, but hey, who am I to judge. Besides, I support all hunting and all hunters actions…I’m not an ANTI ya know!!! But Joe, what about trying to p [no swearing please] on good hunting practices, and ethics…isn’t that important to supporting hunting as a whole and preserving the future of it. See Bob, you are getting all confused. Ethics are situational, and don’t really mean anything except at the time the situation arises. Then, each individual hunter can make whatever choice he or she wants, and it will be the right choice because it’s their situation and their ethics…so there can be no wrong…great system isn’t it? Actually Joe, it doesn’t sound too great to me. In fact, it sounds like it could be damaging to the image of hunters. Don’t you think damaging the image of hunting and hunters as a whole is worse than correcting the mistakes of just a few individuals who make them. Bob, ya know, you are really starting to sound like an ANTI to me. You know as hunters we MUST support all hunters and hunter actions. What’s gotten into you??? I guess you’re right Joe…maybe I really don’t understand hunting and hunters….(Bob thinking to himself, “I must not understand them if I supported this crap before" 
Time passes and more and more farms are posted with no hunting signs, and permission is denied to hunt where previously it was allowed. Bob and his “friends” have been reading about hunting from hunters themselves instead of getting the information from some animal rights wackos, just like Joe suggested. But a lot of what they read is disturbing. Bob and his friends are now reading about the ugly side of hunting, and it’s from hunters themselves, not the animal rights wackos. Bob and his friends understand that hunting involves death, they understand that hunting is necessary for conservation, and that many people enjoy venison. What they don’t understand is how NO hunters’ actions could be wrong, and why hunters fail to point out mistakes to preserve the activity as a whole, but would rather condone all actions and watch hunting in America implode, just because “they support all hunters and hunters actions”. What Bob and his friends don’t understand is why such gory details need to be bragged about in print, in public, and why hunters are so close-minded that they cannot accept any mistake, but must “support all hunters and hunters actions”. Bob and his friends are not anti hunters, they understand it, they just no longer want it on their property. Meanwhile, HSUS and Stu sit back and laugh because some hunters are doing a better job of turning the non-hunting public off to hunting than they ever could. You see, what Joe became was a “Mindless Robot”, A “Useful Idiot” to the anti’s and PETA. Mindless Robots and Useful Idiots don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, when you hunt, what you do when hunting, what you say about your hunt, how hunting is perceived, or how bad they make themselves look. They just want all hunting, hunters, and hunters actions supported, no matter how bad it looks because not supporting all hunters and hunters actions means you’re an ANTI!!! Anti-Hunters love these Mindless Robots because without them, all they would have would be baseless claims. But with them, they use hunters against hunters to gain support for their “Causes”. Quote:
If you do not support any and all forms of legal hunting, and decide to pick and chose the ones you like and dislike, and voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you are in fact, a “Cannibal” and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy. There are plants even within the sacred walls of your favorite Sportsman’s organizations. Route them out, expose them, and rid the board of them. Hunting’s future depends upon it. Oh wait, forgot to UPDATE that last part... If you do support any and all forms of legal hunting, and hunters actions, and do not voice any dissent about the way someone else conducts themselves in the fields, forests and public eye, when they do harm to the image of hunters and hunting, you are in fact, a "Mindless Robot" and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy. There are plants even within the sacred walls of your favorite Sportsman’s organizations. Route them out, expose them, and rid the board of them. Hunting’s future depends upon it. There, I think that turned out very nicely. __________________ BOW SEASON IN NEW JERSEY ENDS FOREVER ON DECEMBER 1, 2008, RIP. HOPE EVERYONE ENJOYED IT.
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Great post NJ_Bowhntr, it deserves it’s own thread.
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what about trying to p [no swearing please] on good hunting practices, and ethics…isn’t that important to supporting hunting as a whole and preserving the future of it. It’s imperative. Quote:
What Bob and his friends don’t understand is why such gory details need to be bragged about in print, in public, For the life of me, I don’t either. Quote:
Meanwhile, HSUS and Stu sit back and laugh because some hunters are doing a better job of turning the non-hunting public off to hunting than they ever could. Very true. Best post I’ve read. __________________ "Hunters across America must wake up to the awareness that they stand a good chance of losing their sport because of their own inaction and lassitude." Fred Bear 1975
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Great read NJBow!!!
I agree 110% that we need to police our ranks. There is a line somewhere in the middle of acceptable practices, we must hold tight to that line! When our own stray too far to either side, let them know. Dont just accept and condone everything because its legal. Show the non-hunting public we are ethical, moral people that care about wildlife. Not bloodthirsty, testosterone driven cavemen out to kill whatever we see. By the way, which Farm do Jim and I have permission for? __________________ "Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson
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It reminds me of what Hunter Education has become in NJ: antiseptic.
When F&W chose to video a segment on "Field Dressing" rather than showing a deer being dressed, they used a Squirrel. Why? Because a deer bleeds more than a squirrel, but is it any less gory? The first-time lone-hunter will no doubt look back upon 'squirrel dissection video' as the proper approach to dress a deer. 
Still, a little better than the old comic-strip, but seriously underestimating what to expect. Warts and all - hunting is not for everybody. Neither is body-building nor plastic surgery. While few may think that HSUS will point to the threads on this site as the 'truth about hunting', any good legislator utilizing the evidence will no doubt be confronted with the "whole truth" and nothing but... Enough has been printed in the past to try to form a case against. But you can't build a foundation out of straw. Police the ranks - as you put it - but become overzealous in your pursuit with limited knowledge of facts, you'll drive cohesion from hunter ranks without changing public opinion one iota. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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It reminds me of what Hunter Education has become in NJ: antiseptic Maybe a little, but think about that for a minute. Antiseptic is used to stop/prevent a bad infection that can cause harm...is it so bad to stop or prevent something that could cause harm to hunting and hunters? Personally, I don't like the term harvest...I don't "harvest" deer, I shoot them, they die, that is the reality of it. But some of the stuff that is posted here and on other boards goes beyond reality and is done in really bad taste. And your right, anti-hunters will always hate us, I'm not concerned about what they think. It's those non-hunters, those fence sitters that I'm mindful of. If we turn them off (and we can if we are not careful) then we have a serious chance to lose our hunting rights. Anti-hunters will never get that done without our own help, and that help will not come in the form of "cannibals and useful idiots", it will come in the form of too many "in your face" types who could care less how hunters are perceived. That is the biggest threat to hunting because it can sway those who are on the fence to fall on the worng side. Anti-hunters are already there and I don't care what that group of emotionally unstable wackos thinks. Convincing the non-hunting public that hunting is cruel, violent, barbaric, unneeded, and ugly is how the anti-hunters could win...we don't need to help them. __________________ BOW SEASON IN NEW JERSEY ENDS FOREVER ON DECEMBER 1, 2008, RIP. HOPE EVERYONE ENJOYED IT.
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Written by John Wasmuth
The following is real, and it’s here. Joe Hunter goes to a cocktail party, nothing fancy, just a holiday gathering in Anytown, USA. A conversation begins with Bob Peta, it goes something like this; “Say Joe, didn’t you go deer hunting this year.” “Sure did Bob.” “Man that’s, uh, great, did you get one?” “Yep, sure did, nice 6 point.” “Uh, wow, hey that’s great. Say listen Joe, yer a true hunter, a ”Real” hunter are you not?” “Yes, I sure am.” “Say, I hear tell of a kinda huntin where people can go and kill animals in fenced in areas. You’ve never done that have you?” “No, no I haven’t.” “Well I wouldn’t call that “real” hunting, would you Joe.” “Well, that’s not the way I hunt.” “I know Joe, but there are people that hunt in fenced areas, I don’t think that’s “Really” hunting, do you Joe.” “Well, uh, I guess not.” “Great, say listen Joe, a bunch of us concerned “Real” hunters are trying to get that done away with, we feel that it is unethical. Will you help us Joe?” “Well sure, because that’s not the way I hunt, and I am a “Real” hunter.” “Say thanks Joe; here is what we need you to do. As a “real” hunter, the big boys in senate and congress will listen to you; they know that any “Real” hunter only hunts the way you do, and that’s the only “Real” hunting there is. So what we need you to do is get out there and get petitions signed, people will sign them because you are a “Real” hunter and know that only your way of hunting is the “Real” way.” So Joe diligently goes after the goal, to ban and outlaw any kind of hunting that Bob suggests is not “Real” hunting. He gathers signatures, petitions courts, makes meetings, he is really cleaning up this “unethical” way of hunting. Hell, he’s got a lot of support. He’s gathering “Real” hunters from all over, and finally, after much hard work, they get a legal way of hunting banned. “Joe, you did great and we sure appreciate your hard work, but hey, let me tell you what I heard about. There is another kind of hunting “We” think is not right. Do you think you can help us?” “Well, I guess so Bob, I don’t hunt like that, so it’s not “Real” hunting. How can I help?” “Well, here is what we need…….,” and it’s the same story. Odd how Bob seems to keep adding onto the list of what “Real” hunting is, but Joe goes at it hard and heavy, and in the end, he gets that type of legal hunting banned. Bob and his “Friends” are happy. Joe’s a “Real” hunter after all, and these other guy’s, well, they are not, because the way they hunt is different from Joe, and Joe does not like that type of hunting, so what’s the harm in getting rid of it? Joe’s a “Real” hunter you know. Not like those other guys. He even goes to Sportsman’s organizations and recruits from within, it’s easy because there are a lot of “Real” hunters there. Time passes and more and more legal forms of hunting are banned. Bob and his “friends” are happy with Joe. He’s been a big help. After it’s all just about gone, Bob and his “friends” decide that it is time to get Joe’s way of hunting banned, the final chapter. “Bob, uh, hey buddy, this is Joe. I know I helped you get rid of all those other forms of legal hunting, but now there is a move to get rid of the way I hunt.” “Well Joe, I know. My “friends” and I are spearheading that.” “But Bob, I thought you liked the way I hunt, that it was ok for me to do the type of hunting I do.” “Well Joe, no, any and all types of hunting are bad, the poor defenseless animals never have a chance, and we dislike, actually hate hunters.” “But I thought the way I hunted was “Real” hunting to you.” “Hell Joe, it was all “ Real” hunting, but we at PETA and HSUS Hate you, but thanks for all your help, we really appreciate it.” You see, what Joe became was a “Cannibal”. A “Useful Idiot” to the anti’s and PETA. They don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, or when you hunt. They just want all hunting done away with. They use hunters against hunters to gain support for their “Causes”. If you do not support any and all forms of legal hunting, and decide to pick and chose the ones you like and dislike, and voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you are in fact, a “Cannibal” and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy. There are plants even within the sacred walls of your favorite Sportsman’s organizations. Route them out, expose them, and rid the board of them. Hunting’s future depends upon it. __________________ i like cheese
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I just sat down and read this thread for the first time and while I have read what Bloodtrails posted before someplace I still don't agree with it 100% and in fact agree far more with the post by NJ Bowhunter (One of the best post I have read so far on tis site).
(Qualifier here and now- I do agree with and support most of the things B.T. says and stands for but not all of it all of the time) Hey call me a "Canibal" or "A useful Idiot" but I do feel in large part that we are our own worst enemys for the reasons described in both posts. I am not so shallow and judgemental as to demean those who would hunt on foot 100,000 ac. that sits behind a fence, but am I to call the man who shoots pen reared and tame animals in a 2 ac. pen a brother and defend what he does regardless of how that may reflect on my own hunts? Sorry I don't think I can tow the line. Additionaly I feel that it is time to return the time taken away from the bowseasons in this state 6 years ago in the name of deer management. That must surly qualifie me as an "Antihunter" since I am not all inclusive in my desires. (The last thing I want is one big all inclusive all weapons general season.) How some can think for a second that NJ can support a 3 month long firearm deer season and than allow the average gunhunter to think that "The bowhunters got em all" is beyond me. Sadly there are many who hunt this state now who have never known a firearm deer season that did not last a minimum of 2 months long and never knew the beauty of a real winter bowseason. Yet when you point that out on this site you are dismissed as being "Nostagic" It's not nostalga it is wanting repayment of something that was LONED OUT for a greater good and now after it's use is not being returned and instead being worsend with the threat of the addition of crossbows being shuved into whats left of the early bowseasons. The time has come to give it back yet instead we have a F+G council controlled by a Federation that while SAYING it supports and protects all member groups is proven by its actions not to do so and favors large Shotgun season deer driving clubs and their point of view. Sadly that is a stupidly canabalistic move in its self since it creats not only the foundation for a division in hunters but seperats them from many other forms of conservationists and it is CONSERVATIONISTS who need to stick together in opposeition to the PRESERVATIONISTS (who include amoung their ranks animal rights supporters). How can one stand by and watch what is with out question things that would be considerd bad or crude actions by ones fellows and not speak up? I find it hard to keep my mouth shut when I see game treated with little or no respect weather it is the way many carry deer on "hitch Haulers" or the increadably crude and disrespectful "Hero" shots viewed on this site with bloody tounges hanging and the other posts that give every ugly detail of things gone wrong on a hunt. Who benifits from this I don't know but my guess is we will all pay for it some how . Just because you have a right to be STUPID, GREEDY, or DISGUSTING does not mean it is a good thing when you exercise that "Right" IMO it is somewhat a kin to having the right to shoot your own foot and doing so while stepping on mine. Let the name calling and posts of rightus indignation begin. __________________ The biggest thing I have learned of late is that many legislators will side with us if we patently and intelegently explain to them where we are coming from and where we are going.
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| Posted: 23 Dec 2006 9:37 AM | ||
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Jake,
One of the best post ever written! You have certainly hit the nail on the head!!! I agree with you 100% and don't give a flying F%@#&^% who knows it! Great job! Jack |
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| Posted: 23 Dec 2006 10:01 AM | ||
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Jakes,
If someone agreed with me all of the time I would be very concerned....
As noted in the first sentence of this post, I didn't write this but agree with the general idea. Nobody says you have to support something you don't believe in (crossbows in bow season for example) or not cringe when someone throws a bloody dripping carc [no swearing please] on the roof of the station wagon. My answer to you in your point about the Federation is the same response you and others have been hearing from me for years. Bowhunters need to show up. Bowhunters could easily dominate the Federation if they simply showed up. Not just when an issue arrises but all the time. Have representation at EVERY county meeting and make sure someone is at EVERY state meeting. The system works if people simply show up. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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