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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 8:18 AM | ||
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I've been hunting a farm for many many years now and we have gotten serious about QDM over the last 8 or so. Planting acres of Imperial clover,alfalfa. Letting every 2.5 8 point walk every year. There are plenty of deer all healthy and happy. Now...the problem is, there is a gene that has been runnin around there FOREVER. I call it the "No browtine gene" These deer will go 3.5 to 4.5 and look like Mulies. 6 points only.No browtines 18 inches wide, 12 inches tall. The other problem is they get REAL big. 160-180 lbs dressed is a yearly occurance. We want to be able to cull these guys out before they reach the size to push the 8 pointers off the does(which is happening) with spikes,2,3,4,5,6,7 pointers in the fields all the time, how do we know which ones to take out? At what point is a deer a definite dud?
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 9:19 AM | ||
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That stinks, how about the 4 on one side deuce on the other. Another copy of How to Grow Browtines for Dummies sold. Kaboom
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 9:34 AM | ||
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| I'm tellin ya. It's brutal. The real question is. Do ya whack the young 6 pointers with no browtines? Some basket 8ts there so we know they're good. I'd hate to take out a potential good one by mistake. | ||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 10:24 AM | ||
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| I think ya take out the browless 6's but its tough especially when he's a horse. | ||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 10:41 AM | ||
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| At 1.5 to 2.5 they aren't any bigger than the basket 8's. At 3.5 the 8's have nice racks. But those freako 6 points are 30-40 lbs heavier and the racks carry more mass. Just no more points. | ||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 10:50 AM | ||
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Thats been my experience, the brow tine gene is lost and gone on some
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 11:49 AM | ||
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| Your problem sounds to me to be bigger than you can control without bringing in different genetics. Maybe if you see a buck with brow tines he should be the one given a pass? | ||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 11:56 AM | ||
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| All browtine bucks get a pass until they mature. | ||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 12:13 PM | ||
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Bald transients must go
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 1:13 PM | ||
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I also deal with poor brow genetics on some of my farms. Here are a few bucks that we gave a chance but they really didn't ammount to anything.  __________________ EAT SLEEP HUNT Make your dreams a reality. Take a kid hunting. Film your next hunt. www.nloutdoors.com
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 1:14 PM | ||
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 2:43 PM | ||
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The top buck made it through I have his shed. The bottom buck a got with the bow.
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 2:48 PM | ||
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Heres a better pic of the shed with some otthers  hers__________________ EAT SLEEP HUNT Make your dreams a reality. Take a kid hunting. Film your next hunt. www.nloutdoors.com
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 2:52 PM | ||
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When the duds come thru they usually stay for a few days then its time to dial a friend who doesn't care about racks  That top buck looks like a real 4 pointer, too bad
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 3:14 PM | ||
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| That's what we do. Our farm can be a youth hunters haven! | ||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 3:52 PM | ||
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I bet you also dont see alot of fighting..
I read an article that said bucks in very none competetive, high doe population areas tend to have smaller brow tines. Funny thing is, the article didnt give a real detailed reason as to why. I guess I'd just shoot everything without tines. You'll have to take 2 steps back to take one step forward, ya know ? Its hard though, with hunting tags. Try and get a depredation tag for the farm and shoot like its going out of style. Habitat and nutrition management only COMPLIMENT the genetics in the area. So if your genetics only allowed for narrow fork horns, after all of the food plots, protein feeders, minerals, passing of young bucks, you'd just have really big fork horns. If you can get the buck population down really low, bucks from surrounding properties will come in and establish themselves, thus spreading new genes. Keep in mind, unless you;re on thousands of acres, most of the bucks in the surrounding area probably ahve bad brow tines. Try and talk to otehr landowners and hunters, ask them what they see and then form a plan. __________________ When a gun-hunter sees the animal he wants- the hunts over. When a bow-hunter sees the animal he wants, the hunt is just begining !
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 5:06 PM | ||
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I can tell you why Drop. Areas that have extremely high Doe populations the subordinate bucks get an opportunity to breed. In an area that is balanced the Dominant better gene bucks only will get to breed because they will fight them off. __________________ EAT SLEEP HUNT Make your dreams a reality. Take a kid hunting. Film your next hunt. www.nloutdoors.com
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 5:34 PM | ||
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Most of the bucks here are sporting brow tines and the buck to doe ratio is pretty decent after a lot of work but it goes out of balance quickly. The 3 pt rule helped a lot in zone 13. Then again when you see a jerky rack your hoping for 3 on a side so you can take him out
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