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| Posted: 11 Aug 2008 11:02 PM Last Edited By: Blackduck1 | ||
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Gun registration is mandatory in New Jersey! At least, according to the Lower Township Police Department ... Quote:
Q: I am a resident, can I register my firearm with the Lower Township Police Department? A: Yes, you must. Pursuant to New Jersey Law, all firearms must be registered with the police department in your town. http://www.lowertownshippolice.com/faqs.htm#11 __________________ We, The People, are all first responders.
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| Posted: 11 Aug 2008 11:09 PM | ||
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How can a police department be so ignorant of the law?
Here's another (what the heck is a FAID?): Q: What is a Firearms Identification Card (FAID) for? A: A Firearms Identification Card is required when purchasing long arms or ammunition. You must be 18 years of age or older to obtain one, pending a background check, fingerprint check, and proper registration through the Lower Township Police Department. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 11 Aug 2008 11:11 PM | ||
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Wow, it just keeps getting dumber...
Q: What is a Permit to Purchase? A: This is required for each pistol that a citizen wishes to purchase. Permits to Purchase are valid for 90 days and can be renewed one time for an additional 90 if the request is received within one week of the permit expiring. Permits to Purchase are scrutinized and the request is thoroughly investigated prior to approval. A Permit to Purchase requires a FAID and an additional background check and proper registration through the Lower Township Police Department. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 11 Aug 2008 11:22 PM | ||
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Unfreaking believable!!!!!!
I gotta get into firearm law when I finish law school. Theres more work than the couple guys that do it can handle...... __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 12:39 AM | ||
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Unfreaking believable!!!!!! Not really in this state where towns seem to feel they can make up there own gun laws  __________________ "from my cold dead hands"
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 4:38 AM | ||
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state law superceded this township law correct?
ask a lawyer on this one. I do not believe they are allowed to do this. __________________ "Without either the first or second amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! The second will be taken away first, followed by the first and then the rest of our freedoms."
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 5:11 AM | ||
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IGNORANCE
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 5:54 AM | ||
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The NJ laws also got the general public fooled also.
I am in the process of obtaining several long guns from an estate. One of the sons said that the guns are "not registered" and therefore illegal. I know for a fact that his deceased father had a FID card and purchased them legally.I explained to him the process of buying and selling a long gun with a Certificate of Eligibilty. My question is how do you transfer a shotguns from an deceased mans estate to a FID holder? Anybody Know? Jerry __________________ WELCOME TO THE United Socialist States of America( USSA)
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 6:06 AM | ||
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Jerry, I would think that whoever is the EXECUTOR of the Estate should be considered the "seller" of the Firearms. __________________ President-UXBNJ
http://www.uxbnj.com/ --} ---> In the end, it's the "HUNTER" that gets the deer not the BOW ! The bowman, to be successful as a hunter, must learn to perfection the habits of his game. NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF BOW HE USES ! |
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 6:56 AM | ||
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That's what I was thinking. Should the Executor fill out the seller portion of the certificate and fill in the name of Transferor " Executor for the Estate of John Hunter"? Jerry __________________ WELCOME TO THE United Socialist States of America( USSA)
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 7:02 AM | ||
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| I used to live in lower twp. I got my FID card and some pistol permits there (14 months and several complaints before they came through). Never heard mention of gun registration but they were clueless on the FID card process (or at least they lead me to believe that) maybe they just wanted to intentionally delay it. | ||
| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 7:28 AM | ||
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Should the Executor fill out the seller portion of the certificate and fill in the name of Transferor " Executor for the Estate of John Hunter"? I would think since this is an estate transfer that a certificate of elgibility would not need to be filled out? Do not know for sure??? |
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 7:55 AM | ||
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If the guns go my way I will fill out a certificate for each so that the estate and I have a record of the transfer just to be safe.
Thanks for the input. Jerry __________________ WELCOME TO THE United Socialist States of America( USSA)
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 11:45 AM | ||
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Permit to Purchase Handgun (Form of Registration)
Sounds like the Twnshp Clerk is filling in the blanks with the Document titles. FAID...  __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 12 Aug 2008 4:55 PM | ||
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Pistol permits are gun registration. Your local PD has a record of every pistol you own with a permit. When you move that record goes to your new town when you do an address change on your FID. The state police also have a record of your legal handgun ownership. __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target
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| Posted: 13 Aug 2008 10:52 AM | ||
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Pistol permits are gun registration. Your local PD has a record of every pistol you own with a permit. When you move that record goes to your new town when you do an address change on your FID. The state police also have a record of your legal handgun ownership This sounds right but when a rifle or shotgun is purchased you fill out paperwork and they send to the state so that is a form of registration also correct? In other words if someone found my shotgun in the woods and looked up the serial number it will come back to my name __________________ Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.
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| Posted: 13 Aug 2008 11:07 AM | ||
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This sounds right but when a rifle or shotgun is purchased you fill out paperwork and they send to the state so that is a form of registration also correct? In other words if someone found my shotgun in the woods and looked up the serial number it will come back to my name Do they? Unlike the copy of the Permit to Purchase Handgun that is sent back to the police, I thought the record of the sale of a long gun is kept at the retailer. If your shotgun was found in the woods, the serial number would have to go the manufacturer, who would identify the distributor, who would identify the retailer, who would have to look up the sale in his records. I just always assumed this. __________________ We, The People, are all first responders.
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| Posted: 13 Aug 2008 12:23 PM | ||
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Do they? Unlike the copy of the Permit to Purchase Handgun that is sent back to the police, I thought the record of the sale of a long gun is kept at the retailer. If your shotgun was found in the woods, the serial number would have to go the manufacturer, who would identify the distributor, who would identify the retailer, who would have to look up the sale in his records. I just always assumed this. You might be right bloodtrail might have better input...i would think police would want quick referance of a serial # to an owner...always thought friearms dealers sent info of long guns to the state __________________ Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.
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| Posted: 13 Aug 2008 1:05 PM | ||
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I am in the process of obtaining several long guns from an estate. One of the sons said that the guns are "not registered" and therefore illegal. I know for a fact that his deceased father had a FID card and purchased them legally.I explained to him the process of buying and selling a long gun with a Certificate of Eligibilty. My question is how do you transfer a shotguns from an deceased mans estate to a FID holder? Here's the law straight from N.J.S.A. 2C:58-3(j): "Firearms passing to heirs or legatees. Notwithstanding any other provision of this section concerning the transfer, receipt or acquisition of a firearm, a permit to purchase or a firearms purchaser identification card shall not be required for the passing of a firearm upon the death of an owner thereof to his heir or legatee, whether the same be by testamentary bequest or by the laws of intestacy. The person who shall so receive, or acquire said firearm shall, however, be subject to all other provisions of this chapter. If the heir or legatee of such firearm does not qualify to possess or carry it, he may retain ownership of the firearm for the purpose of sale for a period not exceeding 180 days, or for such further limited period as may be approved by the chief law enforcement officer of the municipality in which the heir or legatee resides or the superintendent, provided that such firearm is in the custody of the chief law enforcement officer of the municipality or the superintendent during such period." Quote:
I would think since this is an estate transfer that a certificate of elgibility would not need to be filled out? Do not know for sure??? The heir who inherits the guns needs to do nothing, so long as he/she is not legally disqualified from owning or possessing a firearm under NJ law (2C:58-3), if he/she intends to retain the firearm(s) personally. If the heir wishes to sell or give them to a 3rd party, he/she may do so but the transfer must be done utilizing a Certificate of Eligibility, and the receiver must have an F.I.D. card (for long guns) or a NJ Permit to Purchase a Handgun (for each handgun transfered). In other words, the transfer to any 3rd party would be handled just like any other person-to-person sale in NJ. You can also complete & file a form known as the "Voluntary Form of Firearms Registration", available from your local police department or the N.J.S.P. (here's the link to download a copy): http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearms/sp-650.pdf Completion of this form VOLUNTARY, which begs the question, "Why would you want to register gun(s) with the government of such an anti-gun state like NJ, if you're not mandated to do so. Here's the instructions from the top of the form: This form may only be utilized to voluntarily register firearms you own that may be lawfully possessed in New Jersey that were previously acquired under any one of the following circumstances: 1. Inherited pursuant to N.J.S.A. 2C:58-3j; 2. Lawfully acquired in another state pursuant to state and federal laws; or 3. Lawfully acquired in New Jersey pursuant to N.J.S.A. 2C:58-3a and N.J.S.A. 2C:58-3b. |
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| Posted: 13 Aug 2008 1:24 PM | ||
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| I have a stevens 311 from about 1956 that has no serial number on it . That is the way it was sold before firearms ID cards had to be obtained . | ||
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