Change of address of PFID

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I mean its not like you can put your guns in storage till you had a FID with new address.

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I just wanna be sure its legal for me to have my weapons at my new address which is NOT listed on my FID.

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Again, NJ FPID has nothing to do with possession.

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Do you have a website with the laws including this? Thought it was illegal to posess a firearm without FID

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NJSA 2C:39-5(b),(c),(d)

b. Handguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime of the third degree if the handgun is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. Otherwise it is a crime of the second degree.

c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

(2) Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

d. Other weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any other weapon under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as it may have is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

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NJSA 2C:39-6(e),(f)

e. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location.

f. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent:

(1) A member of any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice, in going to or from a place of target practice, carrying such firearms as are necessary for said target practice, provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent and provided further that the firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;

(2) A person carrying a firearm or knife in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided that the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting or fishing purposes in this State and he has in his possession a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing, a valid fishing license;

(3) A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling:

(a) Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, provided the person has in his possession a valid hunting or fishing license; or

(b) Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions, provided in all cases that during the course of the travel all firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section and the person has complied with all the provisions and requirements of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes and any amendments thereto and all rules and regulations promulgated thereunder; or

(c) In the case of a firearm, directly to or from any exhibition or display of firearms which is sponsored by any law enforcement agency, any rifle or pistol club, or any firearms collectors club, for the purpose of displaying the firearms to the public or to the members of the organization or club, provided, however, that not less than 30 days prior to the exhibition or display, notice of the exhibition or display shall be given to the Superintendent of the State Police by the sponsoring organization or club, and the sponsor has complied with such reasonable safety regulations as the superintendent may promulgate. Any firearms transported pursuant to this section shall be transported in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;

(4) A person from keeping or carrying about a private or commercial aircraft or any boat, or from transporting to or from such vessel for the purpose of installation or repair a visual distress signaling device approved by the United States Coast Guard.

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When you go to the PD to change your address DO NOT SURRENDER YOUR OLD ONE

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yes bobsmail it makes my head ache! Espcecially due to the fact ....

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guy at shore shot pistol told me its illegal to have my guns at a location that isnt the address on my FID

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1- Some dealers will be fine selling a rifle/shotgun if your DL has the original address matching your FID. Id just bring a second form of id.

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6- Hollowpoints are ok to possess in your residence... but there are a bunch of exceptions for possession outside the home.... Just use FMJ or them expanding FMJ I forget what they are called.

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Every dealer I've been to in the last 5 years insisted on a matching DL and NJ FPID.

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Every dealer I've been to in the last 5 years insisted on a matching DL and NJ FPID.

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From my understanding, if its less than 2 years since time of issue of FID. you only pay $20 and dont need to be refingerprinted...but if more than 2 years you need to pay $60 and go through the whole thing all over again.

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i just emailed the NRA nd field rep in south jersey concerning the Cape May issue

Posted: 11 Aug 2008 3:51 PM
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I moved towns within NJ...I want to get my FID under my new address. Do I basically need to reapply all over again? my original was issued three or four years ago. Im not planning on buying any new guns but I guess its a good idea and legally do you have to? I mean its not like you can put your guns in storage till you had a FID with new address. __________________ Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.

Posted: 11 Aug 2008 4:05 PM
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Quote: I mean its not like you can put your guns in storage till you had a FID with new address. You do not need a NJ FPID to possess, transprot or hunt with firearms in NJ. However, if you would like to purchase more, you must go to your local PD and change your address on your NJ FPID. It must match your drivers license. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent

Posted: 11 Aug 2008 4:13 PM Last Edited By: ChrisM
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NJFPID-New Jersey Firearm Purchaser Identification. We should lobby for a law which simply says that Purchaser is not synonymous with Possessor, Tranporter, Hunter, or Shooter __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin

Posted: 11 Aug 2008 4:16 PM
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can you guys post up a website that states this? If this is the case I wont bother spending 60 on a new FID, I just wanna be sure its legal for me to have my weapons at my new address which is NOT listed on my FID. __________________ Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.

Posted: 11 Aug 2008 4:20 PM
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Quote: I just wanna be sure its legal for me to have my weapons at my new address which is NOT listed on my FID. Again, NJ FPID has nothing to do with possession. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent

Posted: 11 Aug 2008 4:24 PM
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Quote: Again, NJ FPID has nothing to do with possession. Do you have a website with the laws including this? Thought it was illegal to posess a firearm without FID __________________ Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.

Posted: 11 Aug 2008 4:28 PM Last Edited By: ChrisM
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Quote: Do you have a website with the laws including this? Thought it was illegal to posess a firearm without FID Here it is Possess away! Quote: NJSA 2C:39-5(b),(c),(d) b. Handguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime of the third degree if the handgun is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. Otherwise it is a crime of the second degree. c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. (2) Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree. d. Other weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any other weapon under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as it may have is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Here are the exceptions to the above requirement! Quote: NJSA 2C:39-6(e),(f) e. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location. f. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent: (1) A member of any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice, in going to or from a place of target practice, carrying such firearms as are necessary for said target practice, provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent and provided further that the firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section; (2) A person carrying a firearm or knife in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided that the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting or fishing purposes in this State and he has in his possession a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing, a valid fishing license; (3) A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling: (a) Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, provided the person has in his possession a valid hunting or fishing license; or (b) Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions, provided in all cases that during the course of the travel all firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section and the person has complied with all the provisions and requirements of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes and any amendments thereto and all rules and regulations promulgated thereunder; or (c) In the case of a firearm, directly to or from any exhibition or display of firearms which is sponsored by any law enforcement agency, any rifle or pistol club, or any firearms collectors club, for the purpose of displaying the firearms to the public or to the members of the organization or club, provided, however, that not less than 30 days prior to the exhibition or display, notice of the exhibition or display shall be given to the Superintendent of the State Police by the sponsoring organization or club, and the sponsor has complied with such reasonable safety regulations as the superintendent may promulgate. Any firearms transported pursuant to this section shall be transported in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section; (4) A person from keeping or carrying about a private or commercial aircraft or any boat, or from transporting to or from such vessel for the purpose of installation or repair a visual distress signaling device approved by the United States Coast Guard. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin

Posted: 11 Aug 2008 4:34 PM
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hmmm so you can posess a firearm without having an FID as long your going to the range? not that I care becuase I have my FID...but should i spend the 60 and get a new card? my license has new address sticker on back which is different than address on FID...guy at shore shot pistol told me its illegal to have my guns at a location that isnt the address on my FID __________________ Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.

Posted: 11 Aug 2008 4:35 PM
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When you go to the PD to change your address DO NOT SURRENDER YOUR OLD ONE make sure that you keep it until you get the new one and your address matches the address on your drivers license. Your FID number will remain the same except with a "A" at the end. Jerry __________________ *WELCOME TO THE United Socialist States of America( USSA)* "The New Jersey Hunter is his own worst enemy" Howard Brandt NRA,NJSFSC,SORG,UBNJ,NJOA(Sect) New Jersey Outdoor Alliance Protecting our Hunting Fishing & Trapping Heritage

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Quote: When you go to the PD to change your address DO NOT SURRENDER YOUR OLD ONE I wont...im only getting a new one with my new address to prevent any legal issues. __________________ Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.

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This topic is a pet peeve for me. YMMV in the PRNJ... but the law states you need a FID to purchase, and that it never expires unless you become subject to a disability (like a felon) after its issued. However, the law also says to file a change of address app within 30 days of moving... I havent heard of any cases of people being denied if they didnt update within 30 days of moving. But then again the card is not needed to possess, so Im not sure what the harm is if you dont update within 30 days as long as youre not trying to buy -- even then in the case of purchasing if it doesnt expire unless becoming subject to disability, technically its still a good card. Makes your head spin doesnt it?

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yes bobsmail it makes my head ache! Espcecially due to the fact if i wanted to buy another gun I could, DMV gives you a sticker to affix to the back of your license for change of address so the address next to picture on my license is same as on FID...granted I would be purging myself to put that down as my residence BUT it was my parents house and they still live there I have my own house now at age of 27...I dont wanna spend the 60 to reapply for change of address but i dont want any legal issues if i had to fire at an intruder...also gonna ask about hollowpoints in my handguns i hear mixed things about hollowpoints used in home defense. __________________ Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.

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Quote: yes bobsmail it makes my head ache! Espcecially due to the fact .... You raised a few issues in your post. 1- Some dealers will be fine selling a rifle/shotgun if your DL has the original address matching your FID. Id just bring a second form of id. 2- on your certificate of eligibility, it asks about your current residence... it does not say your addresses must match the one listed on your FID. 3- I agree with you, accurately state your current residence, dont list the old one. 4- you may not need to spend $60 to update your FID. More likely than not, the PD will not require fingerprints if its only an address update. They may only require $5 for the card fee... and not require prints... especially if its the same PD as the one that issued your original FID. If not, many PDs will send for the original file from your old PD and they will not require reprinting. 5- Legal issues if you needed to fire.... Well the FID concerns your right to purchase rifles and shotguns, not the right to possess them. Also, an FID is now needed in NJ to purchase handgun ammo (along with several other types of ID that can be used to purchase HG ammo). So assuming you legally acquired the rifle/sg, then the FID does not dictate whether you can possess. 6- Hollowpoints are ok to possess in your residence... but there are a bunch of exceptions for possession outside the home.... Just use FMJ or them expanding FMJ I forget what they are called. Good luck, and as always YMMV not legal counsel.

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Quote: guy at shore shot pistol told me its illegal to have my guns at a location that isnt the address on my FID Guy is wrong. Quote: 1- Some dealers will be fine selling a rifle/shotgun if your DL has the original address matching your FID. Id just bring a second form of id. Every dealer I've been to in the last 5 years insisted on a matching DL and NJ FPID. Quote: 6- Hollowpoints are ok to possess in your residence... but there are a bunch of exceptions for possession outside the home.... Just use FMJ or them expanding FMJ I forget what they are called. Hollow points are ok at the range, for hunting and basically in any legal use of a firearm in NJ. Normally, a hollow point charge is added to some other charge if you did something illegal. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent

Posted: 11 Aug 2008 9:58 PM Last Edited By: jcchartboy
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Quote: Every dealer I've been to in the last 5 years insisted on a matching DL and NJ FPID. Just had a transfer done at very well known dealer that caters primarily to Law enforcement. While the dealer knows me well my DL and NJ FPID adresses do not match as I moved recently. JC

Posted: 11 Aug 2008 10:10 PM
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Quote: Every dealer I've been to in the last 5 years insisted on a matching DL and NJ FPID. Bloodtrails, your experience is very common for sure, but the dealer's wanting IDs to match is caused more out of NJSP inspired hysteria rather than whats actually required by law/code. I cant saw I blame dealers, but...

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From my understanding, if its less than 2 years since time of issue of FID. you only pay $20 and dont need to be refingerprinted...but if more than 2 years you need to pay $60 and go through the whole thing all over again. __________________ Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.

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Quote: From my understanding, if its less than 2 years since time of issue of FID. you only pay $20 and dont need to be refingerprinted...but if more than 2 years you need to pay $60 and go through the whole thing all over again. All that is required for a change of address is a mental records check, an application, and a background check. If a town wants to re-fingerprint you it's something they have imposed (making their own policy) and is not required by law. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent

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i just emailed the NRA nd field rep in south jersey concerning the Cape May issue and this discussion about NJ State Police acting in on thier ideals rather than the laws. I hope to get a response. __________________ "Without either the first or second amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! The second will be taken away first, followed by the first and then the rest of our freedoms." -- Andrew Ford

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Quote: i just emailed the NRA nd field rep in south jersey concerning the Cape May issue Cape May issue? __________________ Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.