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| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 6:58 PM | ||
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there really needs to be a lawyer involved, which I am not.
The hunting license does allow you to transport the fire arm and have one in possession as long as you can legally given the back ground check have one in possession. There are strange rules.. read nappen.. bottom line to be safe have an NJFID card... I am now from out of state and can transport given federal law through NJ. As far as shooting in NJ I have to abide by the laws of NJ, but do not require a NJFID card yet... I am in the process of an out of state address change for my NJFID card. __________________ "Without either the first or second amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! The second will be taken away first, followed by the first and then the rest of our freedoms."
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 7:32 PM | ||
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| Every year we go through this..... I was stopped last year after for no seatbelt.... i just had finished huntn and had my shotguns with me in a locked up travel case. The state trooper had asked if I could provide him with my FID card or I was going to be in a heap of trouble.... He took my card FID and when he returned he said I was OK. After this experience I was questioning his request for a FID while in poscession of a firearm. So after contacting some Clergy (JUDGE)folks, I had discovered that it was illegal to be in pocession of a firearm without a FID. So my FID is with me at all times. | ||
| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 8:07 PM | ||
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| I am going to Canada this sept. for a bear hunt and will be using the gun my father purchased with his F.I.D. and gave the gun to me. I have gone to canada once before Caribou hunting with a rifle that my father bought under his f.i.d card and didn't have a problem crossing the border. Is this legal or should i go with my bow. Every time i went bear hunting in canada it has been with the bow and now i am going with the shotgun wondering if i may run into a problem now. | ||
| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 8:12 PM | ||
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So after contacting some Clergy (JUDGE)folks, I had discovered that it was illegal to be in pocession of a firearm without a FID. So my FID is with me at all times. The "Clergy (Judge)" is wrong. Period. Ask him to explain out of state hunters. Ask him to explain out of state target shooters. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 8:13 PM | ||
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I am going to Canada this sept. for a bear hunt and will be using the gun my father purchased with his F.I.D. and gave the gun to me. I have gone to canada once before Caribou hunting with a rifle that my father bought under his f.i.d card and didn't have a problem crossing the border. Is this legal or should i go with my bow. Every time i went bear hunting in canada it has been with the bow and now i am going with the shotgun wondering if i may run into a problem now. A NJ FPID means nothing in Canada. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 8:17 PM | ||
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I got this right from the NRA website on NJ law.
It is unlawful to knowingly possess any handgun, including any antique handgun, without first having obtained a Permit to Carry. It is unlawful to knowingly possess any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a Firearms Purchaser Identification Card (FID). Exceptions. No Permit to Carry or FID is required: To keep or carry any firearm about a person's place of business, residence, premises, or other land owned or possessed by him; a place of business shall be deemed a fixed location. To carry any firearm "unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances" from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. To transport such firearms as necessary for target practice, in the manner described in paragraph 2 above, by a member of a gun club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice in going to or from a place of target practice, provided the club has filed a copy of its charter with the Superintendent of State Police and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent. To transport any firearm, in the manner described in paragraph 2 above, while traveling: a. Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, provided such person has in his possession a valid hunting or fishing license; or b. Directly to or from any target range or other authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions: or c. Directly to or from any exhibition or display of firearms which is sponsored by any law enforcement agency, any gun club or gun collectors' club for the purpose of displaying the firearms to the public or to members of such organization or club, provided that not less than 30 days prior to such exhibition or display notice shall be given to the Superintendent of State Police by the sponsoring organization or club and the sponsor has complied with such reasonable safety regulations as the superintendent may promulgate. To carry a firearm in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State for the purpose of hunting, target practice, or fishing, provided that the firearm is legal and appropriate for hunting or fishing purposes in this State and the person possesses a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing, a valid fishing license. To transport firearms by a licensed dealer in firearms and his registered employees during the course of normal business, provided the firearms are transported in the manner described in paragraph 2 above. For members of the armed forces or National Guard while on duty or traveling between places of duty and carrying authorized weapons. For federal law enforcement officers and any other federal officers and employees required to carry firearms in the performance of their official duties. For law enforcement officers, vehicle inspectors, prosecutors, and assistant prosecutors. For guards and persons with limited police or arrest powers while in the performance of their duties. For out-of-state law enforcement officers while actually engaged in official duties, provided that the Superintendent of State Police, or the police chief, or county prosecutor of the county where the out-of-state officer is engaged in official duties has been notified. The FID requirement for rifles and shotguns does not apply to "antique firearms, provided that such antique firearms are unloaded or are being fired for the purposes for exhibition or demonstration at an authorized target range or in such other manner as has been approved in writing by the chief law enforcement officer of the municipality in which the exhibition or demonstration is held." It is unlawful to knowingly possess any firearm* in or upon any part of the buildings or grounds of any school, college, university or other educational institution without the written authorization of the governing officer of the institution, irrespective of whether the person possesses a valid permit to carry the firearm or a valid firearms purchaser identification card. This prohibition does not apply to persons listed in paragraphs 7 to 11 above. No person under 18 shall possess, carry, fire, or use a firearm except under the following circumstances: In the actual presence or under the direct supervision of a parent or guardian, or some other person who holds a Permit to Carry or FID; or For the purpose of military drill under the auspices of a legally recognized military organization and under competent supervision; or For the purpose of competition or target practice on a firing range approved by the governing body of the municipality in which the range is located or the National Rifle Association and which is under competent supervision at the time of such supervision or target practice; or For the purpose of hunting during the regularly designated hunting season, provided he possesses a valid hunting license and has successfully completed a hunter's safety course. No person may possess, control, own, or purchase any firearm if he has: Been convicted of aggravated assault, arson, burglary, escape, extortion, homicide, kidnapping, robbery, sexual assault, or any weapons offense. Ever been committed for a mental disorder to any hospital, mental institution, or sanitarium unless he possesses a certificate of a medical doctor or psychiatrist licensed in New Jersey or other satisfactory proof that he is no longer suffering from a mental disorder which interferes with or handicaps him in the handling of a firearm. Been convicted for the unlawful use, possession, or sale of a controlled dangerous substance. No handgun purchase permit or firearms purchaser identification card shall be issued to any person who is subject to a court order pursuant to New Jersey law prohibiting the person from possessing any firearm. It is unlawful to knowingly have in one's possession ''any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet." Nothing in this prohibition shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises, or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land, or while engaged in activities covered by paragraphs 3, 4, and 5 above under the Exceptions to the Permit to Carry or FID requirement. Except for a federally licensed collector, it is unlawful to possess armor piercing ammunition __________________ EAT SLEEP HUNT Make your dreams a reality. Take a kid hunting. Film your next hunt. www.nloutdoors.com
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 8:20 PM | ||
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I have a question, huntfishnj mentioned running his name/fpid# and came up with a list of all NJ dealer purchased firearms in his name. Is it possible to have that done for myself and my wife being that we are not police officers?? I have traded in and or sold some guns (legally ofcourse) over the years and have always wondered what is actually in the system under our names. Does anyone no a way to have this done without looking like a criminal...??? __________________ "from my cold dead hands"
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 8:20 PM | ||
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According to this you don't need one as long as you are going to and from the shooting range or hunting and the gun is properly cased. __________________ EAT SLEEP HUNT Make your dreams a reality. Take a kid hunting. Film your next hunt. www.nloutdoors.com
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 8:57 PM | ||
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both.. and the point I was making was that if an officer stopped your wife and ran the #'s on the guns (whether they be handguns or in the case of hunting weapons, shotguns) they would come back in NCIC and SCIC as your weapons This would not be an accurate thing for a police officer to do nor do I believe this to be true. This is why i mentioned before that private sales would be difficult to track. I sold a rifle last year and I know the gun has been sold 2 more times, meaning the gun had 4 owners over a one year period. |
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 9:01 PM | ||
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And they say I am the profibber __________________ EAT SLEEP HUNT Make your dreams a reality. Take a kid hunting. Film your next hunt. www.nloutdoors.com
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 9:13 PM | ||
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 9:17 PM | ||
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That wasn't referring to you GWHunter. __________________ EAT SLEEP HUNT Make your dreams a reality. Take a kid hunting. Film your next hunt. www.nloutdoors.com
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| Posted: 07 Aug 2008 9:23 PM | ||
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 12:16 AM Last Edited By: huntfishNJ | ||
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GW.. you're right. In my example any weapons that were purchased by the husband or wife from a dealer would be in NCIC and SCIC as theirs. Any rifles or shotguns that were privately purchased would not.
Also, I think it would be a perfectly acceptable way for an officer to determine who owns the weapons. I would only do it if the person I stopped had given me some 'reasonable suspicion' that foul play may be afoot. In the instance given I if I were shown a hunting license I would probably simply ask "you made sure the guns are unloaded while you transported them, right?".. and send her on her way. Ultra.. who's fibbing in this thread? __________________ "Rednecks, white socks and Blue Ribbon Beer."
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 4:54 AM Last Edited By: lungbuster | ||
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BUff.. I will ask our buddy the gunny. If you want his email I can give it to you.
Guys and gals, I was stopped last year on 206 because I failed to keep right after a circle. (Basically after the circle I got in the left lane because it was at night around 10PM and I didn't like driving next to the wooded area on 206) however there is a police barracks not far from the circle and the officer was going behind me to the left lane. We I exited the circle I waited for the yellow lines to open and switched lanes, but he was going over he yellow lines to the left lane and I went infront.. we actually moved at the same time. He waited until I put on my left blinker to make a left turn and pulled me over. Here is the kicker. I turned the dome lights on, put my hand on teh steering wheel and put the windows down. He came up asked for the three pieces, and I only had my license. I was driving my girls suv. She had the insurance and registration on her. I answered his questions and and when I looked for the two pieces I found female products in the glove box and center console.. so I looked at him and he saw I was pissed and he knew who i was pissed at. I let him know I had a shot gun in the back and he asked if it was cased and where it was. I told him he shined the light on the cased shotgun.. and gave me a written warning. Nice guy.. since then I stay rght after the circle and change lanes near the wooded line. Out of state tags.. maybe why, don't know, but never asked for my NJFID.. Maybe it is a resident thing.. Bloodtrails and I havediscussed this before... every year we go through the NJFID.. The truth is the only people who really know the law are lawyers. It isn't about waht you get away with, or what most police say.. but what the law actually is.. and I really think there needs to be a clear discription provided to people when they purchase a fire arm and when they get a NJFID. I also think there should be changeed laws reports given or provided by the state to Fire Arm owners or card hlders or poste at Fire Arm shops so the general public can be notified of such law changes. We need a knowledgable description provided by the state so we as legal gun oners can remain legal and not viewed as criminals or ignorant gun owners. How do we get this done? __________________ "Without either the first or second amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! The second will be taken away first, followed by the first and then the rest of our freedoms."
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 9:03 AM | ||
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The "Clergy (Judge)" is wrong. Period. Ask him to explain out of state hunters. Ask him to explain out of state target shooters. Just ask him to read N.J.S.2C:39-6 and then explain his answer. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 9:50 AM | ||
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| short and to the point, she can carry the gun on her FID or on a hunting license if she's hunting. | ||
| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 9:55 AM Last Edited By: ChrisM | ||
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The MAIN problem with this whole situation is that many (if not most) cops do not know the law. So transporting a firearm without a FID very well may put you in a sticky situation. Not because the "law" is not on your side, but because the cop may simply not know the law.
Its a shame, but these gun laws, specifically N.J.S.A 2C:39-6, are trumped by ignorance of the laws by cops, judges, politicians....etc...etc.  __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 10:02 AM | ||
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short and to the point, she can carry the gun on her FID or on a hunting license if she's hunting. What are you saying? __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 10:02 AM | ||
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The MAIN problem with this whole situation is that many (if not most) cops do not know the law. Bingo. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 11:36 AM | ||
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| Wow you guys know everything. The best thing to do is look up the laws . | ||
| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 11:43 AM | ||
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The best thing to do is look up the laws . If only the police would..... __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 12:15 PM | ||
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Wow you guys know everything. I only know what the law tells me. And N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6 tells me that I do not need a NJFID card to hunt, shoot, or transport my firearms to hunting or shooting. It also tells me that I dont need s NJFID to have a firearm on my property or at my place of work, or at anytime traveling between those 2 places. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 1:43 PM | ||
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| I give you alot of credit for looking this law up. Too many hunters on this site rely on second hand information .Remember when in doubt of laws and regulations we have the internet at our fingertips. | ||
| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 1:49 PM | ||
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Remember when in doubt of laws and regulations we have the internet at our fingertips The problem is that the law cannot pervent you from being wrongfully arrested. The law also doesnt pay your legal bills to prove you were wrongfully arrested. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 2:07 PM | ||
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I agree Chris but it will protect you from being convicted. __________________ EAT SLEEP HUNT Make your dreams a reality. Take a kid hunting. Film your next hunt. www.nloutdoors.com
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 4:23 PM | ||
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Here is the text from the NJ regs:
2C:39-3. Prohibited Weapons and Devices. 2C:39-6. Exemptions 2C:39-6. f. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S. 2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent: (2)A person carrying a firearm or knife in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided that the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting or fishing purposes in this State and he has in his possession a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing, a valid fishing license; (3)A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling: (a)Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, provided the person has in his possession a valid hunting or fishing license; or 2C:39-5. Unlawful possession of weapons 2C:39-5. Unlawful Possession of Weapons. b. Handguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S. 2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S. 2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. (2)Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree. d. Other weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any other weapon under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as it may have is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Hence you dont need a FID to transport or use a gun when hunting... |
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 4:24 PM | ||
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oh - i cut and pasted only the relevant text, some out of order, for full regs look up 2C:39-3. Prohibited Weapons and Devices.
i have a copy of the full version in my gun case at all times. |
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 6:22 PM | ||
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| bloodtrails, if a person has a fid card, they can buy and carry any rifle or shotgun any time of year as long as they are not breaking any law while doing so. they don't actually have to own the firearm. if a 17 year old minor is a licensed hunter, he can carry and hunt with that firearm if he is going hunting and is not breaking another law while doing so. that 17 year old can do this even though he is not even old enough to obtain a fid card as his hunting license allows him to carry and hunt with a firearm. this is what i meant from my previous post. | ||
| Posted: 08 Aug 2008 8:14 PM | ||
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bloodtrails, if a person has a fid card, they can buy and carry any rifle or shotgun any time of year as long as they are not breaking any law while doing so. they don't actually have to own the firearm I'm not sure where you heard that, but having a NJ FPID does not give you any more rights to possess or transport than not having one at all. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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