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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:26 AM | ||
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aug 12th 10am...assunpink WMA...monmouth county
UBNJ crossbow presentation public comments available on all agenda's for list of agenda's on the 12th go to the F&G council website __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:32 AM | ||
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:39 AM | ||
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thats why they have the meetings at 10 am during the week they dont want people to show up...it should be nights __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:42 AM Last Edited By: Dragthor | ||
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UBNJ crossbow presentation Unfortunately, I do not think its gonna matter much. As long as its not total inclusion in all bow seasons... it will be seen as a win for UBNJ. I got news for you all - its already set that there will still be a bow-only season - Fall Bow. Permit Bow and Winter Bow you can use a crossgun. At least this is how it will be for a couple of years anyway. __________________ |
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:46 AM | ||
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Permit Bow and Winter Bow you can use a crossgun set? where did you get this from kris? are we talking all ages or thats not set in stone yet...just curious __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:49 AM Last Edited By: nightstalker911 | ||
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I got news for you all - its already set that there will still be a bow-only season - Fall Bow. Permit Bow and Winter Bow you can use a crossgun. At least this is how it will be for a couple of years anyway. And 55 and older in ALL Bow seasons. No one has raised any objections to that, Even the UBNJ has supported that one. __________________ President-UXBNJ
http://www.uxbnj.com/ --} ---> In the end, it's the "HUNTER" that gets the deer not the BOW ! The bowman, to be successful as a hunter, must learn to perfection the habits of his game. NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF BOW HE USES ! |
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:51 AM Last Edited By: 11pointer | ||
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i just want it over with so we can get back to more important issues bag limits and unlimited does on public land __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:52 AM | ||
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| i think this meeting is going to be a good one. i'm going to try and go myself just to see how the ubnj tries to persuade the council. this should be interesting as i read elsewhere that their own survey is at least split on the xbow issue. personally i only hope that the council does the right thing and not cave in to the ubnj because it would suggest that either their own scientific survey was not accurate or even worse, they believe that their survey as well as all of the empirical evidence was accurate, but that they would cave in to political pressure from the minority which would negatively speak volumes concerning the council and F&W department as a whole. | ||
| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 9:02 AM | ||
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The Council has recieved Volumes of Factual information on the TRUTHS about CrossBOWS. These Truths will be fought with MYTHS, FEARS, and UNSUPPORTED PREDICTIONS, by the UBNJ.
Will the Council turn their backs to the Truths and the F&G's Scientific Survey ? Time will tell. __________________ President-UXBNJ
http://www.uxbnj.com/ --} ---> In the end, it's the "HUNTER" that gets the deer not the BOW ! The bowman, to be successful as a hunter, must learn to perfection the habits of his game. NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF BOW HE USES ! |
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 9:13 AM | ||
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| rayneboo do you want to go, were off? shoot skeet afterward so we dont embarrass ourselves at the tower shoot | ||
| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 9:49 AM Last Edited By: Bacs | ||
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Quote: paul, that ain't gonna happen.
And 55 and older in ALL Bow seasons. Fagthor is right, they are going to allow crossguns in permit bow so that crossgun hunters have to buy the archery license ($31.50), permit ($28), & buck stub ($28) if you want one. It's how they think they can maximize the cash flow chart you sent them. If they just allowed them in all seasons, there's no way for them to be sure that they could wring all the money out of crossguns (bow permit & buck stub). $59.50 to hunt with a crossgun...or $87.50 to kill a buck with one. __________________ United Bowhunters of NJ (LM) - President
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 9:50 AM Last Edited By: Bacs | ||
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Quote: Wow.
not cave in to the ubnj Our survey had a great response rate too, over 88% polled responded. And F&W hasn't asked for this one either... __________________ United Bowhunters of NJ (LM) - President
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 10:07 AM | ||
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So your saying that the Council Will ignore those 55 and older. Which has the support of the Federation, and I believe the UBNJ. As well as tons of Stats showing that this has in other States, been proven to increase participation by older hunters. (retention)
It's been one of the Points about CrossBOW inclusion that most everyone agreed on ! __________________ President-UXBNJ
http://www.uxbnj.com/ --} ---> In the end, it's the "HUNTER" that gets the deer not the BOW ! The bowman, to be successful as a hunter, must learn to perfection the habits of his game. NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF BOW HE USES ! |
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 10:57 AM Last Edited By: Bacs | ||
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Quote: Yup, its not about scientific management of the resource or hunter recruitment/retention; it's about license management that produces the most $$$ for a cash-strapped DF&W.So your saying that the Council Will ignore those 55 and older. Which has the support of the Federation, and I believe the UBNJ. As well as tons of Stats showing that this has in other States, been proven to increase participation by older hunters. (retention) It's been one of the Points about CrossBOW inclusion that most everyone agreed on ! __________________ United Bowhunters of NJ (LM) - President
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 11:26 AM | ||
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Will you be able to use them in shotgun and muzzy seasons?
I hope so!!! 
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 11:43 AM | ||
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The Council has recieved Volumes of Factual information on the TRUTHS about CrossBOWS More than you know...much more than you know. 
You don't have to be there for the entire meeting, the crossbow presentation is at 1:00pm. __________________ Those who value unity among hunters, do not advance agendas that divide hunters. Logically, those who pursue divisive changes or agendas, despite the resulting division, care more for advancing their agenda than they do for unity among hunters.
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 2:32 PM | ||
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Now that would be nice if 55 over could use x bows
Might have to get me one of dem. 
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 2:35 PM | ||
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i only hope that the council does the right thing and not cave in to the ubnj like they do for the federation __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
CROSSBOWS are divisive....look whats happening to hunter unity if you cant answer some simple questions then its not that simple for me to donate to your cause "you know who you are" |
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 2:38 PM | ||
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thats why they have the meetings at 10 am during the week they dont want people to show up...it should be nights Just for your information those people volunteer there time and all they get is a bunch of abuse from the public if they are doing it wrong then you volunteer your time to make it better __________________ Life Member NRA
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 2:44 PM | ||
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me be on the council?...wouldnt that piss some people off
hey by the way i was just saying that it should be at night so more people could attend...do YOU think thats a problem or are you glad more cant attend? __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 4:52 PM | ||
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me be on the council?...wouldnt that piss some people off hey by the way i was just saying that it should be at night so more people could attend...do YOU think thats a problem or are you glad more cant attend? I would love to see a big turnout of people who oppose them. Wish the meeting was at night! It's funny how you have a bunch of idiots slamming the UBNJ, when the truth is they do more for us then anyone else! |
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 6:23 PM | ||
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| personally, i have nothing against the ubnj but i disagree with their position on crossbows. anything short of full inclusion of crossbows means the council has caved in to political pressure of the minority whose position is based not on science, or true statistics but is based on an agenda of greed and selfishness. the anti crossbow hunters say that the issue is dividing hunters when in reality, they are the impetus of division since the majority of hunters support full inclusion of crossbows. from what i've read, the issue of crossbows during archery seasons is much to do about nothing as those who start crossbow hunting with the idea that it will be similar to gun hunting will not stay in it because it will take the same effort to harvest a deer as all modern archery equipment. every state that has allowed full inclusion of crossbows has found that it was a non-issue in reality other than adding more hunters. the fact that more hunters will be present is actually a good thing for those who can view the subject objectively. it will bring much needed dollars into the f&w and let's face it, more hunters leave the sport every year than those who enter the sport. the median age of hunters is increasing nationwide. it has been said that only 5 to 10 percent of the population hunt when hunter levels were at their peak in the late 80's to early 90's. what do you think will happen when only 1 percent of given population hunt. how many politicians are going to risk their political careers for such a small part of their voter base. hunters need to wake up,see the big picture, and not just worry about more people hunting the same woods as them and potentially shooting "their" deer which don't belong to them in the first place. | ||
| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 6:58 PM | ||
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your absolutely right its not our deer their everybody's deer so why not have an open season any weapon anytime
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position is based not on science f&g threw science out the door yrs ago and what do bolt throwers have to do with science __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
CROSSBOWS are divisive....look whats happening to hunter unity if you cant answer some simple questions then its not that simple for me to donate to your cause "you know who you are" |
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 7:16 PM Last Edited By: Cripple Shot | ||
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Quote: If this is the case then (hopefully) there will still be a handicap permit so people like myself can hunt in the "Fall Bow Season."
I got news for you all - its already set that there will still be a bow-only season - Fall Bow. Permit Bow and Winter Bow you can use a crossbow. At least this is how it will be for a couple of years anyway. "Crossing fingers" that it will be. __________________ My handle is not my aim. I'm a C 4-5 Quadriplegic who uses a converted crossbow.
Feel free to email me - SCIQuad96@aol.com - I'm always in need for some shooting & hunting help. |
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 7:33 PM | ||
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there will always be a handicapped permit here you have no worries for any season __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:05 PM | ||
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| 11 pointer, first you made a bold statement that f&w threw out science years ago. how? can you back up your statement with facts or is it just your opinion? also crossbow hunters themselves have little to do with science. what involves science is the way the f&w survey conducted their survey as it met all scientific standards. also, the science of statistics proves that crossbow hunting is identical when compared to modern compound bows in terms of success rates, safety, etc. show me any unbiased statistics proving otherwise. but you know what, you can't because they don't exist. all empirical evidence, anywhere, supports full inclusion of crossbows. if the ubnj and the anti crossbow hunters went to the council with the premise that crossbows are a higher weapon as compared to modern compound bows in hopes of preventing full inclusion, then using that same premise, the council should as a matter of fairness also ban full inclusion of modern compound bows. maybe the council should only allow traditional equipment during fall bow before modern compounds are allowed. many hunters would drown in the river of tears that surely would follow. | ||
| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:22 PM | ||
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im all for traditional only early season, there goes your theory
the council should also make you buy buck tags for your second buck during 6 day like everyone else has too...but we all know why that doesnt happen Quote:
first you made a bold statement that f&w threw out science years ago welp unlimited does on public land has taken its toll and guess what its still here the northwestern part of the state over to sussex county and alot of the pines has a coyote problem yet they have a limited season on it why not have a full yr coyote season like most other states...as they are taking a toll on the deer herd in areas also im not gonna get into a hiss match with you but for you to say you hope the council doesnt cave into the UBNJ is crazy....because the bowhunters of this state have been kicked out of the cave along time ago __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:40 PM | ||
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| i really don't know if bowhunters have gotten the short end of the stick here in NJ so i'm not going to agree or disagree with you. but what i do know is that crossbows have absolutely nothing to do with it. and for argument's sake, say bowhunters are getting shafted, wouldn't it be better to increase archery hunters to increase their collective voice? also, don't take any of my posts personally, it's not about the individual, only the issue to me. | ||
| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 8:49 PM | ||
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muzzyman, do you bow hunt now? __________________ Those who value unity among hunters, do not advance agendas that divide hunters. Logically, those who pursue divisive changes or agendas, despite the resulting division, care more for advancing their agenda than they do for unity among hunters.
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2008 9:43 PM | ||
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| no, i haven't bowhunted for 10 years due to a shoulder injury. i don't qualify for a crossbow permit under the current policy. prior to that i bowhunted almost exclusively for almost 20 years with long bows, recurves and compounds. i don't know if i'll even try to use a crossbow but i'm interested as you can probably tell. | ||
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