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NJ Hunter / New Jersey Politics & Guns / NJ Firearms ID Card / Do you need a FID on you in the woods when hunting?
Posted:  27 Jul 2008 9:46 AM
Do you need a FID on you in the woods when hunting?
Posted:  27 Jul 2008 9:52 AM   Last Edited By: Drop Tine
Not by law, but being this is New Jersey you would be wise to carry it with you anytime your in possession of a firearm as not every officer is up on current firearm possession laws and once arrested they can't un-arrest you, which in itself will cause you to lose your FID card and a bunch of legal expenses to restore your rights so why take a chance if you have it carry it.
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Posted:  27 Jul 2008 9:52 AM
I am not sure, but I always carry a photo copy of mine with me just in case.
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Posted:  27 Jul 2008 10:15 AM   Last Edited By: bayonne
as of now no but a co told us it is going to be
at some time in the future so i keep mine in my walet and i was once stoped by detives walking to my car carrying my shot gun they took it out of the case made sure it wasnt loaded and called in the serial number of the gun now mind ya i have on my hunting gear and im wearing my licence on my back
im quessing liveing in the city they dont see a guy wearing a blaze hat they dont see it to much the hole thing held me up for close to 1/2 a hour
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Posted:  27 Jul 2008 11:11 AM
No. But ....

I would be concerned once you leave the woods and get back to the parking lot and leave. There are some "interpretations" of law, gray areas, and some police departments that just do things their own ways.

While you may be on firm legal ground, you don't want to get involved in the NJ legal system at all. I don't, at least.

If I have a gun, I have my card with me. Also, I carry the permit for each handgun I own in its case.

If you are asking this question because there is something in your past stopping you from getting the ID card, and you still want hunt ... it is not legal for you to be holding that shotgun.

Good luck.
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Posted:  27 Jul 2008 12:33 PM
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There are some "interpretations" of law, gray areas, and some police departments that just do things their own ways.


There are no gray areas with this, just police who don't understand the law.

There is no requirement to have a NJ FPID when hunting.  Period.  If there were NJ wouldn't allow non-resident hunters.
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Posted:  27 Jul 2008 1:38 PM
In addition, even if NJ changes the law, what are they  going to do with youngsters that can hunt alone but are not old enough to get an ID card?

Your hunting license is all you need.  Should be no question if you are hunting are are properly licensed.
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Posted:  27 Jul 2008 1:42 PM
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In addition, even if NJ changes the law, what are they  going to do with youngsters that can hunt alone but are not old enough to get an ID card?
I think that now there is a difference in the law .... lending a minor a gun to go legally hunting alone vs lending an adult a gun to hunting.

Not sure if this has anything with the subject at hand.
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Posted:  27 Jul 2008 3:41 PM
a couple years ago i talked to NAPPEN the big gun lawyer and at that time he explained to me that lending a firearm is considered a transfer of arms. it was explained to me that a transfer of arms while hunting isint really defined well but he seemed to think if your letting your friend use your gun while hunting you need to be within a mile of that person.bottom line is   your dealing with some grey areas and although you may be right it will cost you a bundle to prove it so why take a chance.
Posted:  27 Jul 2008 4:04 PM
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a couple years ago i talked to NAPPEN the big gun lawyer and at that time he explained to me that lending a firearm is considered a transfer of arms. it was explained to me that a transfer of arms while hunting isint really defined well but he seemed to think if your letting your friend use your gun while hunting you need to be within a mile of that person.bottom line is   your dealing with some grey areas and although you may be right it will cost you a bundle to prove it so why take a chance.


True, if you are lending a person a firearm while hunting you must be present and the transfer must happen in the field. 

With that said, a NJ FPID has nothing to do with it.
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Posted:  27 Jul 2008 4:10 PM
The only thing an FID is used for, is to purchase a firearm.

If you have a current firearm hunting licsense, that is the only paperwork you need to carry a weapon in the woods or field.
Posted:  27 Jul 2008 7:20 PM
it is not a weapon.. it is a fire arm...

sorry trying to keep lingo correct.

and what right do teh cops have to stop you if you are not doing anything wrong..

can they if you are wearing orange and carring a gun case stop you to check your fire arm and or search your car...

Does that give them the right?

Does it also give them the right if I have an NRA sticker to stop and search my car?

How about and orange hat or camo..?

Seriously what is the deal?
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Posted:  27 Jul 2008 9:21 PM   Last Edited By: liquidorange
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With that said, a NJ FPID has nothing to do with it.
just pointing out that some hunters not having a card may want to borrow a gun without the owner being in the field with them. you may not get bothered in the field but as soon as you load up your vehicle and drive away i would think not having the card could get you in trouble because your not hunting anymore and are subject to the officers interpetation.
Posted:  27 Jul 2008 9:50 PM
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just pointing out that some hunters not having a card may want to borrow a gun without the owner being in the field with them. you may not get bothered in the field but as soon as you load up your vehicle and drive away i would think not having the card could get you in trouble because your not hunting anymore and are subject to the officers interpetation.


Illegal transfer of a firearm (as you described in this senario) is still illegal if you have a NJ FPID or not.
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Posted:  28 Jul 2008 9:07 AM
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If you are asking this question because there is something in your past stopping you from getting the ID card, and you still want hunt ... it is not legal for you to be holding that shotgun.

Thats not true at all.  Because of the discretion given to police chiefs regarding FID cards, you very well could be denied because of a recent DUI.

But that does nothing to prevent you from hunting with a firearm you already own.
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Posted:  28 Jul 2008 9:42 AM
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Thats not true at all.  Because of the discretion given to police chiefs regarding FID cards, you very well could be denied because of a recent DUI.

But that does nothing to prevent you from hunting with a firearm you already own.
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Isn't it ..... If you have one of the "disabilities" that would prevent you from obtaining a FID, then it is illegal for you to be in possession of a firearm.

I'm pretty sure about that. I was in that situation. I remember how shocked I was when I read the statute. Did I misread it?

And, if you become under one of the disabilities, you must surrender your FID? Is that right?

I do understand the DUI discretion. So, maybe a DUI is an exception? A gray area?
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Posted:  28 Jul 2008 10:00 AM   Last Edited By: ChrisM
The way I read the laws concerning NJFPID, they are very specific as to the PURCHASE OF FIREARMS. 

Lets just say you have a gun that was given to you by your father on your 10th birthday (which lets just say was 30 years ago).  In 2001 you fell out of a treestand and became paralyzed.  You now want to apply for a NJFPID.  You very well might be denied due to your disability (which I still think is unconstitutional).

BUT that denial does NOTHING to prevent you from going out and hunting with the gun your father bought you when you were 10 years old.

I tried to explain this to the gentlemen at this years Wheelin Sportsmen Hunt.  Most of the men in the room were disabled and many were talking about how they were denied a NJFPID.  Most of them had taken up hunting with a crossbow because they were under the impression that they could no longer hunt with a firearm. 

I tried to explain to them that they did not need to have a NJFPID to hunt.  If they already owned some guns, which most of them had for many many years, all they needed was their hunting license to hunt. 

Then a gentlemen in the back of the room shouted at me.  He pointed his finger at me and yelled, "You better sit down and stop giving them men wrong information.....I have been on the job (cop) for 30 years and I know the laws.....you MUST have your firearms identification card on you while you transport your guns while hunting."

I sat down because I didnt want to argue with this guy.  I wonder how many of the guys in wheel chairs took his advice and sit at home during gun season while their rights are trampled.........
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Posted:  28 Jul 2008 10:24 AM
I definitely could be wrong, Chris.

When I have the time, I will try to find the area in the statutes that I read .... possibly misread. (I'm in work now. I come to NJH to procrastinate. Lol)

Many years ago, I was denied a FID because of some minor scuffs with the police. So, my girlfriend got a FID, she bought guns, and I borrowed them. I thought I was cool for years, until I read that statute I thinking about.

I'll find out. Even if I did misunderstand what I read, at least it motivated me to go through the expungement process and do things right.
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Posted:  28 Jul 2008 12:34 PM   Last Edited By: ChrisM
Ok....lets see if I can create a posts that simplifies these laws.

First, Here is the exact text of the law which governs the PURCHASE of firearms and outlines the criteria for obtaining a NJFPID card...
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§ 2C:58-3. Purchase of firearms


   a. Permit to purchase a handgun. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of, nor receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a handgun unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a dealer under this chapter or has first secured a permit to purchase a handgun as provided by this section.

b. Firearms purchaser identification card. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of nor receive, purchase or otherwise acquire an antique cannon or a rifle or shotgun, other than an antique rifle or shotgun, unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a dealer under this chapter or possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card, and first exhibits said card to the seller, donor, transferor or assignor, and unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder signs a written certification, on a form prescribed by the superintendent, which shall indicate that he presently complies with the requirements of subsection c. of this section and shall contain his name, address and firearms purchaser identification card number or dealer's registration number. The said certification shall be retained by the seller, as provided in section 2C:58-2 a., or, in the case of a person who is not a dealer, it may be filed with the chief of police of the municipality in which he resides or with the superintendent.

c. Who may obtain. No person of good character and good repute in the community in which he lives, and who is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in this section or other sections of this chapter, shall be denied a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card, except as hereinafter set forth. No handgun purchase permit or firearms purchaser identification card shall be issued:

(1) To any person who has been convicted of any crime, or a disorderly persons offense involving an act of domestic violence as defined in section 3 of P.L. 1991, c. 261 (C. 2C:25-19), whether or not armed with or possessing a weapon at the time of such offense;

(2) To any drug dependent person as defined in section 2 of P.L. 1970, c. 226 (C. 24:21-2), to any person who is confined for a mental disorder to a hospital, mental institution or sanitarium, or to any person who is presently an habitual drunkard;

(3) To any person who suffers from a physical defect or disease which would make it unsafe for him to handle firearms, to any person who has ever been confined for a mental disorder, or to any alcoholic unless any of the foregoing persons produces a certificate of a medical doctor or psychiatrist licensed in New Jersey, or other satisfactory proof, that he is no longer suffering from that particular disability in such a manner that would interfere with or handicap him in the handling of firearms; to any person who knowingly falsifies any information on the application form for a handgun purchase permit or firearms purchaser identification card;

(4) To any person under the age of 18 years for a firearms purchaser identification card and to any person under the age of 21 years for a permit to purchase a handgun;

(5) To any person where the issuance would not be in the interest of the public health, safety or welfare;

(6) To any person who is subject to a restraining order issued pursuant to the "Prevention of Domestic Violence Act of 1991," P.L. 1991, c. 261 (C. 2C:25-17 et seq.) prohibiting the person from possessing any firearm;

(7) To any person who as a juvenile was adjudicated delinquent for an offense which, if committed by an adult, would constitute a crime and the offense involved the unlawful use or possession of a weapon, explosive or destructive device or is enumerated in subsection d. of section 2 of P.L. 1997, c. 117 (C: 2C:43-7.2); or

(8) To any person whose firearm is seized pursuant to the "Prevention of Domestic Violence Act of 1991," P.L. 1991, c. 261 (C. 2C:25-17 et seq.) and whose firearm has not been returned.

d. Issuance. The chief of police of an organized full-time police department of the municipality where the applicant resides or the superintendent, in all other cases, shall upon application, issue to any person qualified under the provisions of subsection c. of this section a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card.

Any person aggrieved by the denial of a permit or identification card may request a hearing in the Superior Court of the county in which he resides if he is a resident of New Jersey or in the Superior Court of the county in which his application was filed if he is a nonresident. The request for a hearing shall be made in writing within 30 days of the denial of the application for a permit or identification card. The applicant shall serve a copy of his request for a hearing upon the chief of police of the municipality in which he resides, if he is a resident of New Jersey, and upon the superintendent in all cases. The hearing shall be held and a record made thereof within 30 days of the receipt of the application for such hearing by the judge of the Superior Court. No formal pleading and no filing fee shall be required as a preliminary to such hearing. Appeals from the results of such hearing shall be in accordance with law.

e. Applications. Applications for permits to purchase a handgun and for firearms purchaser identification cards shall be in the form prescribed by the superintendent and shall set forth the name, residence, place of business, age, date of birth, occupation, sex and physical description, including distinguishing physical characteristics, if any, of the applicant, and shall state whether the applicant is a citizen, whether he is an alcoholic, habitual drunkard, drug dependent person as defined in section 2 of P.L. 1970, c. 226 (C. 24:21-2), whether he has ever been confined or committed to a mental institution or hospital for treatment or observation of a mental or psychiatric condition on a temporary, interim or permanent basis, giving the name and location of the institution or hospital and the dates of such confinement or commitment, whether he has been attended, treated or observed by any doctor or psychiatrist or at any hospital or mental institution on an inpatient or outpatient basis for any mental or psychiatric condition, giving the name and location of the doctor, psychiatrist, hospital or institution and the dates of such occurrence, whether he presently or ever has been a member of any organization which advocates or approves the commission of acts of force and violence to overthrow the Government of the United States or of this State, or which seeks to deny others their rights under the Constitution of either the United States or the State of New Jersey, whether he has ever been convicted of a crime or disorderly persons offense, whether the person is subject to a restraining order issued pursuant to the "Prevention of Domestic Violence Act of 1991," P.L. 1991, c. 261 (C. 2C:25-17 et seq.) prohibiting the person from possessing any firearm, and such other information as the superintendent shall deem necessary for the proper enforcement of this chapter. For the purpose of complying with this subsection, the applicant shall waive any statutory or other right of confidentiality relating to institutional confinement. The application shall be signed by the applicant and shall contain as references the names and addresses of two reputable citizens personally acquainted with him.

Application blanks shall be obtainable from the superintendent, from any other officer authorized to grant such permit or identification card, and from licensed retail dealers.

The chief police officer or the superintendent shall obtain the fingerprints of the applicant and shall have them compared with any and all records of fingerprints in the municipality and county in which the applicant resides and also the records of the State Bureau of Identification and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, provided that an applicant for a handgun purchase permit who possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card, or who has previously obtained a handgun purchase permit from the same licensing authority for which he was previously fingerprinted, and who provides other reasonably satisfactory proof of his identity, need not be fingerprinted again; however, the chief police officer or the superintendent shall proceed to investigate the application to determine whether or not the applicant has become subject to any of the disabilities set forth in this chapter.

f. Granting of permit or identification card; fee; term; renewal; revocation. The application for the permit to purchase a handgun together with a fee of $ 2.00, or the application for the firearms purchaser identification card together with a fee of $ 5.00, shall be delivered or forwarded to the licensing authority who shall investigate the same and, unless good cause for the denial thereof appears, shall grant the permit or the identification card, or both, if application has been made therefor, within 30 days from the date of receipt of the application for residents of this State and within 45 days for nonresident applicants. A permit to purchase a handgun shall be valid for a period of 90 days from the date of issuance and may be renewed by the issuing authority for good cause for an additional 90 days. A firearms purchaser identification card shall be valid until such time as the holder becomes subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of this section, whereupon the card shall be void and shall be returned within five days by the holder to the superintendent, who shall then advise the licensing authority. Failure of the holder to return the firearms purchaser identification card to the superintendent within the said five days shall be an offense under section 2C:39-10a. Any firearms purchaser identification card may be revoked by the Superior Court of the county wherein the card was issued, after hearing upon notice, upon a finding that the holder thereof no longer qualifies for the issuance of such permit. The county prosecutor of any county, the chief police officer of any municipality or any citizen may apply to such court at any time for the revocation of such card.

There shall be no conditions or requirements added to the form or content of the application, or required by the licensing authority for the issuance of a permit or identification card, other than those that are specifically set forth in this chapter.

g. Disposition of fees. All fees for permits shall be paid to the State Treasury if the permit is issued by the superintendent, to the municipality if issued by the chief of police, and to the county treasurer if issued by the judge of the Superior Court.

h. Form of permit; quadruplicate; disposition of copies. The permit shall be in the form prescribed by the superintendent and shall be issued to the applicant in quadruplicate. Prior to the time he receives the handgun from the seller, the applicant shall deliver to the seller the permit in quadruplicate and the seller shall complete all of the information required on the form. Within five days of the date of the sale, the seller shall forward the original copy to the superintendent and the second copy to the chief of police of the municipality in which the purchaser resides, except that in a municipality having no chief of police, such copy shall be forwarded to the superintendent. The third copy shall then be returned to the purchaser with the pistol or revolver and the fourth copy shall be kept by the seller as a permanent record.

i. Restriction on number of firearms person may purchase. Only one handgun shall be purchased or delivered on each permit, but a person shall not be restricted as to the number of rifles or shotguns he may purchase, provided he possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card and provided further that he signs the certification required in subsection b. of this section for each transaction.

j. Firearms passing to heirs or legatees. Notwithstanding any other provision of this section concerning the transfer, receipt or acquisition of a firearm, a permit to purchase or a firearms purchaser identification card shall not be required for the passing of a firearm upon the death of an owner thereof to his heir or legatee, whether the same be by testamentary bequest or by the laws of intestacy. The person who shall so receive, or acquire said firearm shall, however, be subject to all other provisions of this chapter. If the heir or legatee of such firearm does not qualify to possess or carry it, he may retain ownership of the firearm for the purpose of sale for a period not exceeding 180 days, or for such further limited period as may be approved by the chief law enforcement officer of the municipality in which the heir or legatee resides or the superintendent, provided that such firearm is in the custody of the chief law enforcement officer of the municipality or the superintendent during such period.

k. Sawed-off shotguns. Nothing in this section shall be construed to authorize the purchase or possession of any sawed-off shotgun.

l. Nothing in this section and in N.J.S. 2C:58-2 shall apply to the sale or purchase of a visual distress signalling device approved by the United States Coast Guard, solely for possession on a private or commercial aircraft or any boat; provided, however, that no person under the age of 18 years shall purchase nor shall any person sell to a person under the age of 18 years such a visual distress signalling device.


Second, Here is the laws which establish the consequences of non-compliance with the FID law (posted above).
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§ 2C:39-5. Unlawful possession of weapons


   Unlawful possession of weapons.

a. Machine guns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession a machine gun or any instrument or device adaptable for use as a machine gun, without being licensed to do so as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-5, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

b. Handguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any handgun, including any antique handgun without first having obtained a permit to carry the same as provided in N.J.S.2C:58-4, is guilty of a crime of the third degree if the handgun is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. Otherwise it is a crime of the second degree.

c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

d. Other weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any other weapon under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as it may have is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.


Finally, Here is the exceptions that clearly set forth the activites/conduct which DOES NOT REQUIRE a NJFPID card.  The following activites/conduct are totally exempt from the provisions of the first law posted above.  (emphasis added to the important parts)
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e. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent a person keeping or carrying about his place of business, residence, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, any firearm, or from carrying the same, in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section, from any place of purchase to his residence or place of business, between his dwelling and his place of business, between one place of business or residence and another when moving, or between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair. For the purposes of this section, a place of business shall be deemed to be a fixed location.

f. Nothing in subsections b., c. and d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5 shall be construed to prevent:

(1) A member of any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice, in going to or from a place of target practice, carrying such firearms as are necessary for said target practice, provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent and provided further that the firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;

(2) A person carrying a firearm or knife in the woods or fields or upon the waters of this State for the purpose of hunting, target practice or fishing, provided that the firearm or knife is legal and appropriate for hunting or fishing purposes in this State and he has in his possession a valid hunting license, or, with respect to fresh water fishing, a valid fishing license;

(3) A person transporting any firearm or knife while traveling:

(a) Directly to or from any place for the purpose of hunting or fishing, provided the person has in his possession a valid hunting or fishing license; or

(b) Directly to or from any target range, or other authorized place for the purpose of practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions, provided in all cases that during the course of the travel all firearms are carried in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section and the person has complied with all the provisions and requirements of Title 23 of the Revised Statutes and any amendments thereto and all rules and regulations promulgated thereunder; or

(c) In the case of a firearm, directly to or from any exhibition or display of firearms which is sponsored by any law enforcement agency, any rifle or pistol club, or any firearms collectors club, for the purpose of displaying the firearms to the public or to the members of the organization or club, provided, however, that not less than 30 days prior to the exhibition or display, notice of the exhibition or display shall be given to the Superintendent of the State Police by the sponsoring organization or club, and the sponsor has complied with such reasonable safety regulations as the superintendent may promulgate. Any firearms transported pursuant to this section shall be transported in the manner specified in subsection g. of this section;

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Posted:  28 Jul 2008 1:26 PM
WOWZERS!!!

I do have my card. The reason I wanted to know is because I will be hunting in my yard and I was not sure if I need to have it on me.

Thanks for the info guys.