Question about leasing my land

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fine as long as the two leases don't coincide...

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I'm trying to "have my cake and eat it too"?

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There is no(BOW) hunting in NJ on Sundays

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find hunters with insurance.

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Lease the land for horses From Memorial Day (week end after Turkey season)till Labor day.

Hunting -from Labor day till Memorial Day

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A friends wife rides a place that has a semi wild on it she HATES it as they can gun 7 days a week sept thru april.

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Guns and horses usally don't mix is my opinion

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Out west is open space but in tight space and several hunters maybe a problem. Ok Lou do you want to shoot from a horse? I been on enough of them that didn't want my butt on them that to shoot off one let alone around one could have been a disaster when it goes bang, bada bing, boom

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We need for this land to pay for itself as it will be a business venture, but at the same time we want to be fair with pricing and other arrangements.

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Take a good look at a bow only option.

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let me know how that goes and I'll buy land also.thats tough to do with the price of land in NJ.

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I think it would be cool to drive deer while riding a horse threw the woods...

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 4:37 PM
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Hi, I am a non-hunter. I'm not against it and rather enjoy the wild game that hunter friends have given me over the years. We are looking at the possibility of purchasing some heavily wooded land in NJ. The # of acres are actually more than what we need for our purpose. But, I am also a horse owner and a trail rider. Available rural land is quickly dissappearing for both the hunter and the trail rider. Here's my dilema. I would like to possibly lease a portion of the land to hunters for a certain time and to trail riders for a certain time. How do you hunters think this would work? Or do you think I'm trying to "have my cake and eat it too"?

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 4:40 PM
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fine as long as the two leases don't coincide... BTW, welcome to the site!

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 4:42 PM
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I hunted in a spot in bedminster that was used for both.... You may want to stick to just bow or if your going to allow the 6 day gun season maybe keep the horse riders off the land. The horse riders will probably never even know a bow hunter was in the woods with them ..Nobody looks up really ...

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 4:48 PM
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Lease the land for horses From Memorial Day (week end after Turkey season)till Labor day. Hunting -from Labor day till Memorial Day. It should work O.K. __________________ <- <- <- <- ~ <- <- <- <- I'd rather be working.........a Bird! Pro Staffer

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 4:48 PM
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I think it would work 90% of the time but I don't think your going to get the top dollar an exclusive hunting lease would.

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 4:52 PM
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Have it Bow hunted only and you will both be able to safely use the land pretty much at the same time. Just communicate with your hunters so you can avoid interfering with each other. There is no hunting in NJ on Sundays so that day would be a great day to do your Horse riding activities without disturbing any hunters. . __________________ >>>>----> NJH Pro Staffer.

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 4:52 PM
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one of the farms we hunt is a horse farm. we have no problems at all and hunt shotgun and bow..as long you choose respectable,smart,safe,and ones who clean up after themselves you wont have any problems. what you will get for your land that you want to lease depends on how many woods you have and what the deer herd is like. also i suggest you find hunters with insurance. __________________ If Guns kill people Then... -pencils mis spel words, -cars make people drive drunk, -spoons made Rosi Odonell fat. steve hetley75@optonline.net http://myspace.com/hetley75 http://www.camospace.com/hetley75 http://www.killerskitchen.com

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 4:55 PM
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Quote: fine as long as the two leases don't coincide... Agreed. You also only have 5-6 months of hunting; you could let the riders use the other 5-6 months. How many acres? That might make a difference in how much room there is for both (in the event of overlapping seasons). I've a small place I use that the owner rides all the time, but it doesn't affect the hunting because the deer are used to the horses. The two keys are that you need to notify the owner when you're coming and only bows allowed, which from a safety standpoint is fine. __________________ NJOA TU "I want as game protectors men of courage, resolution and hardihood who can handle the rifle, axe and paddle; who can camp out in summer or winter; who can go on snowshoes, if necessary; who can go through the woods by day or by night without regard to trails." -Teddy Roosevelt

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 5:03 PM
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i also hunt a farm with horses, and one with cattle. i hunt with all weapons. they ride on the weekends, but try to only mid day, so they don't mess up my hunt. but this works because they only ride the edges, not going into the woods. i also trap these same places, just be carefull around livestock. shoot or snare a $5,000 horse or $4,000 black angus and you'll be looking for another place. the riders and hunter can get along, i do it. __________________ united bowhunters of nj nj fur harvesters monroeville

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 5:39 PM
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Did it in Pattanburg with no incidents! Riders new about the seasons and would not ride during Firearm Season! They actually pushed the deer around for us! __________________ Want to be FIT? http://BootCross.com

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 5:51 PM
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We hunt and ride alot of the same land. An occasional horse is not going to mess anyones hunting up although I would suggest some thing like what gobblergetter reccomended but adding Sundays to the horse riders. Horses get ridden most in the Spring and fall when it is cooler so you can't shut off the entire fall to them or they probably won't pay// __________________ "from my cold dead hands" "to all those in harms way, SEMPER FI"

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Posted: 22 Jul 2008 6:32 PM
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Quote: I'm trying to "have my cake and eat it too"? What's the purpose of having cake if you can't eat it? Quote: There is no(BOW) hunting in NJ on Sundays Not yet but we are working on it Quote: find hunters with insurance. Find a club and limit the numbers of hunters per acre. Jerry __________________ *WELCOME TO THE United Socialist States of America( USSA)* "The New Jersey Hunter is his own worst enemy" Howard Brandt NRA,NJSFSC,SORG,UBNJ,NJOA(Sect) New Jersey Outdoor Alliance Protecting our Hunting Fishing & Trapping Heritage

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 6:52 PM
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A friends wife rides a place that has a semi wild on it she HATES it as they can gun 7 days a week sept thru april. If you go the route of the semi you will have a few P.O.ed riders. Take a good look at a bow only option. __________________ The biggest thing I have learned of late is that many legislators will side with us if we patently and intelegently explain to them where we are coming from and where we are going.

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 7:15 PM
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Wow! What a response! Thanks guys! What do you think about a rotating week schedule? One week hunters, next week riders, then hunters, etc.? Or, maybe first 2 weeks of a month hunters, last 2 weeks riders? Something along those lines. Like I said before, I'm not a hunter. I always thought that you hunted mainly at dusk and dawn. Am I correct? If I am, then maybe a time stipulation for each? I'd like to be able to help both groups out. I know that riders get nervous about hunters, but if both parties are aware of the other and we only allow responsible individuals from both groups, can't this sort of thing work well for all?

Posted: 23 Jul 2008 7:11 AM
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Just so there is no miss information on the subject. The September through April is a comerical preserve not a semi wild Quote: A friends wife rides a place that has a semi wild on it she HATES it as they can gun 7 days a week sept thru april. 5/03 State of New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection Division of Fish and Wildlife PO BOX 400 Trenton, New Jersey 08625-0400 www.njfishandwildlife.com SEMI-WILD SHOOTING PRESERVE INFORMATION SHEET AUTHORITY N.J.S.A. 23:3-29 provides the authority to the Division of Fish and Wildlife to issue a license to operate semi-wild shooting preserves for pheasant, quail and partridge. The applicant must be the owner or bona-fide lessee to the property to be licensed. Only one contiguous tract of land may be covered under one license. SEASON AND BAG LIMIT Under the semi-wild pheasant, quail and partridge shooting preserve license, birds stocked may be taken by shooting only on lands described in the application and license, without regard to sex and daily bag limit, by a properly licensed hunter between the first day of small game season and following March 15, both days inclusive. The season can not be extended. Hunting hours are the same as regular small game season: 800 a.m. on opening day, otherwise sunrise to ½ hour after sunset. Species not covered by the license may be hunted in accordance with current hunting regulations.] __________________ Life Member NRA Life Member NJFSC Life Member NAHC Member DU Life Member VFW

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 7:28 PM
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Guns and horses usally don't mix is my opinion and as Jake suggests a bow only is a better option. Now with that said there are hazards also to consider so take a look into that also before you step out and try to combine both. I know if I was bow hunting your land I wouldn't really want horses riding around on me. Horses don't spoke deer usally but while someone was shooting at an animal if they were together it may possibly spook a horse and throw a ridder. Then there could be law suits. I would tend to believe they don't mix. Either or is my recommendation. You may tend to get the propertys value if you had a select group of archers only with the stiputalion of a certain season then allow the ridders in say from Jan to Aug. and no Turkey or birds. I'm looking out for you not the guys that are hungry for access.

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 7:37 PM
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The best thing you could do is,hunters have the woods from first Sat in Sept, thru the last Sat in Jan, five mths, riders have it Feb 1st, thru sept 1st, seven mths, that way you don`t have to worry about WHAT TIME IS IT!!! and I would not give it to a club, they will dtrive it and kill the woods off, just get afew guys together, be sure they have Insurance, so on , you can make it work, you can get the woods and have others pay for it, but thats fine as they are enjoying it also, a win/ win.

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 8:21 PM
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You've given me some food for thought. The thing is, I know that the trail riders (remember, I'm one ) really look forward to the fall foliage. But that's when hunting season starts. I hate to not allow turkey hunters as I see sooo MANY wild turkeys these days, just from the road. There are 2 parcels we're eyeing. One is smaller with a very small section of woods. The other is larger with mostly woods. If it could be done to be able to cater to both groups, I'd be inclined to get the larger parcel so we could keep it accesible and not developed with a subdivision. Decission will not be made tonight anyway.

Posted: 22 Jul 2008 9:46 PM
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I would go the route of bow only for the entire Fall and maybe some kind of compromise on either shotgun or Muzzleloader. I hunted a place in Denville that had trails and we never had a problem as everyone was courteous and there was only a small group of hunters. Plenty of room for both activities and no need to split the year. Good decision to purchase some open land while it's still available! __________________ NRA Life Member Cedar Hill Gun Club Zone 2

Posted: 23 Jul 2008 5:26 AM
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Quote: Lease the land for horses From Memorial Day (week end after Turkey season)till Labor day. Hunting -from Labor day till Memorial Day I've seen this being done and it seems to work out fine. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------- Shoot straight, kill swiftly or miss cleanly Draw, anchor, release.....scratch head...repeat! This is my band. http://www.root80.com or http://www.myspace.com/root80

Posted: 23 Jul 2008 7:21 AM
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Quote: Guns and horses usally don't mix is my opinion sorry cat but what about out west with the cowboys...they rode their horses and shot guns to0. As long as the hunter is safe, respectable, ethical, smart and courtious of other people it doesnt matter what weapon they use. Good luck with your lease... __________________ FIRE IT UP!!!!! Did you get em? Did you hear the gun go off!!!! Yea!!! Then get a ###### knife!!!

Posted: 23 Jul 2008 9:56 AM
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Out west is open space but in tight space and several hunters maybe a problem. Ok Lou do you want to shoot from a horse? I been on enough of them that didn't want my butt on them that to shoot off one let alone around one could have been a disaster when it goes bang, bada bing, boom

Posted: 23 Jul 2008 10:03 AM
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Quote: Out west is open space but in tight space and several hunters maybe a problem. Ok Lou do you want to shoot from a horse? I been on enough of them that didn't want my butt on them that to shoot off one let alone around one could have been a disaster when it goes bang, bada bing, boom Cat its Woodruff Len...I think it would be cool to drive deer while riding a horse threw the woods... __________________ FIRE IT UP!!!!! Did you get em? Did you hear the gun go off!!!! Yea!!! Then get a ###### knife!!!

Posted: 23 Jul 2008 3:39 PM
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WOW!! I am TOTALLY over whelmed with the responses I have recieved, especially through the pm's. It is obvious that there is a REAL interest in this venture. I have recieved so many pm's, that I felt it best to make a general response on the board. It is doubtful that we will be ready to persue this in time for the up coming hunting season. I will not delete your pm's. If we do follow through, I will contact you or make another post stating that we are ready. I think that I will continue to "lurk" on this board so I can learn more. We need for this land to pay for itself as it will be a business venture, but at the same time we want to be fair with pricing and other arrangements. Thank you all for your support!

Posted: 23 Jul 2008 4:12 PM
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Quote: We need for this land to pay for itself as it will be a business venture, but at the same time we want to be fair with pricing and other arrangements. let me know how that goes and I'll buy land also.thats tough to do with the price of land in NJ. good luck. keep us posted. __________________ >>>>----> NJH Pro Staffer.

Posted: 23 Jul 2008 4:22 PM
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Quote: Take a good look at a bow only option. Why am I not surprised you typed that... As for the Sept-Jan hunting no horse option, no horse rider is going to pay and not be able to enjoy the fall just like you mentioned. As a horse owner, I agree with you.. The fall is the best time to ride. Atleast give them Sundays, wich are traditionaly the most popular days for horses. Good Luck I hope this works out for you! __________________ "from my cold dead hands" "to all those in harms way, SEMPER FI"

Posted: 23 Jul 2008 4:49 PM
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Quote: let me know how that goes and I'll buy land also.thats tough to do with the price of land in NJ. Let me clarify something. We are looking for land for a totally different business venture. Because of the size of this one particular parcel, I thought it would be good to allow hunting and/or trail riding as well, since both sports are being threatened with extinction in this state. The land will not be solely supported by these groups, but would help to off set the added cost for the larger parcel. At this point, I do not know with certainty if the land will be suitable, still exploring.

Posted: 23 Jul 2008 5:13 PM
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Our club leases land from various owners, some of whom have their own rules and preferences. A responsible club will be able to accomodate your needs and wishes. The price of course will depend on how restrictive the land use is. BE SURE to get proof of legal incorporation and a Certificate of Insurance WITH cancelation notice. This way you will know they are a real club, legally signing, and that they have and keep insurance. BTW ... if you land is central or north NJ I would be glad to talk with you and see what we could offer to help meet your needs.

Posted: 23 Jul 2008 7:52 PM
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Quote: I think it would be cool to drive deer while riding a horse threw the woods... I've done that Len. You can walk right up to the Big Bucks. __________________ President-UXBNJ http://www.uxbnj.com/ --} ---> In the end, it's the "HUNTER" that gets the deer not the BOW ! The bowman, to be successful as a hunter, must learn to perfection the habits of his game. NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF BOW HE USES !