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| Posted: 08 May 2008 10:04 AM | ||
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In a previous thread, I stated how I've been getting a runaround for months from the state police each time I called to inquire about the NJFPID process. It seems that the person have to talk to is never there despite the fact I was previously told he would be.
Well, yesterday I was able to stop by the barracks to inquire in person. I walked in and went up to the trooper behind the glass and cordially said hello. He responded with his own hellow and asked if he could help me. I told him that I stopped by because I needed to apply for my NJFPID. He said "oh" and began looking around for the application and the required fees, etc. As he was about to pass them to me under the glass he paused looked at me with a chuckle and a smirk and said "Out of curiosity, What do you mean by "Need to apply" for an ID card.  I responded that I am an avid hunter who might like to be able to purchase a firearm in the future in the state of NJ. His response? "Why don't you just sit in a tree with a big knife and drop down on them when pass by?". 
I continued by stating that my father has several handguns(belonged to my grandfather when he was a Jersey City cop) that he would like to transfer to me and that to do this legally, I need to apply for a few handgun permits as well. He came back and said that each handgun needs to be licensed and registered or both me and my father could be in trouble. At this point, my patience was wearing thin but I politely told him that I don't believe licensing is required in NJ. 
The next question pushed me over the edge. He asked "Why would you want to own a handgun anyway? The average person has no need for one". I responded with the following. "When I went to the dmv to get my DL, they never asked me any questions as to why I would need or want one. Why is that?" He said, "Well owning gun requires more responsibility than driving a car(oh really?)." My final response..."Yet driving is a priveledge whereas gun ownership is a right, go figure." 
He handed me the forms, told me to bring them back filled out and with money orders for the fees. I asked about fingerprinting and if there was anyone specifically that I needed to return them to. He said to return them to anyone that is behind the glass when I return and as far as fingerprinting he stated, "I don't know anything about that, I follow the instructions I listed in front of when someone asks for an application. Ask the guy who's here when you come back".
Now, does anyone know about fingerprinting and fees? I was told to bring a money order for $5 for the initial FPID and a second one for the total amount for each handgun permit($2 each permit). I don't want to go and drop off the forms only to be told that I need another money order for fingerprinting...or worse yet find out 3 months from now that my application was never processed since they never took my prints. |
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 10:17 AM | ||
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Shameful.
Do you not have a PD in your town? Sounds like this proces is going to take you quite a bit of time, especially when you factor in ignorance in addition to violating your rights. Good luck. Join ANJRPC and they can help you through the process. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 10:20 AM | ||
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Now, does anyone know about fingerprinting and fees? I was told to bring a money order for $5 for the initial FPID and a second one for the total amount for each handgun permit($2 each permit). Fingerprinting should be done when you drop off the application. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 10:25 AM | ||
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Fingerprinting should be done when you drop off the application When I do this at State police barracks in hope, who ever is there will do the finger prints. The fact that this guy figured he could make stupid comments and ask stupid questions is ridiculous. But I am sure it is common! Good Luck to you, I am glad that you went there in person instead of calling. __________________ "from my cold dead hands"
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 10:51 AM | ||
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| I got printed and handed the forms in at around the same time. Fingerprinting cost me about $50 and I had to go to a fingerprinting vendor for the state police called "sagem morpho". I went to the one located at the Hagadorn (sp) mental facility in Glen Gardner where they had an office, but there are others located around the state as well. Prints are done digitally and go right into the system. If a print is not clear, the machine says so and the print is re-done immediately on the spot. Going digital is the best thing to do. My gf's mom went for her FID card at a local station, got printed manually , received the FID, and a couple weeks later they told her she had to get re-printed because her prints were not clear...so why did they issue her the card in the first place? Go figure... | ||
| Posted: 08 May 2008 11:10 AM | ||
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Do you not have a PD in your town? I happen to live in a large low population town that is serviced by the state police. It's a great town that tends to recognize and value freedoms that are not as prevalent in most of the state. I believe that the fact that there is no additional local police dept to bloat the local bureaucracy is an added benefit, yet as you can see, it has it's disadvantages. Quote:
When I do this at State police barracks in hope, who ever is there will do the finger prints. The fact that this guy figured he could make stupid comments and ask stupid questions is ridiculous. But I am sure it is common! Good Luck to you, I am glad that you went there in person instead of calling. Is there going to be an additional fee to process the fingerprints? Will they do it at the barracks when I drop off the application. I'd like to go prepared. I have friends in a local police dept in N. Jersey who have done a few fingerprint cards for me for Out-Of-State purposes. Perhaps I should just go there and have it done in advance? Thanks for the advice about going in person. Quote:
I got printed and handed the forms in at around the same time. Fingerprinting cost me about $50 and I had to go to a fingerprinting vendor for the state police called "sagem morpho". I went to the one located at the Hagadorn (sp) mental facility in Glen Gardner where they had an office, but there are others located around the state as well. Prints are done digitally and go right into the system. I wasn't aware that NJ had a digital central system. I know that FL does and it's quite convenient for a number of reasons. |
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 11:27 AM | ||
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Is there going to be an additional fee to process the fingerprints? There is and they usually require a money order. I'm not sure what the fee is but it's in the $45 range last time I looked. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 1:58 PM | ||
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"Why would you want to own a handgun anyway? The average person has no need for one". A trooper said the same thing to me at the Raritan show when I was talking to him about NJ gun laws. Does he think he is the only one who has the right to protect his life and the lives of his family? __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 2:05 PM | ||
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Why would you want to own a handgun anyway? The average person has no need for one When seconds matter... the police are only minutes away. __________________ Dog's on point... get ready!!!
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 2:14 PM Last Edited By: lungbuster | ||
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Man it wasn't that difficult when I got mine in 1993. Went to the Burlington Police Station, filled out refrences, etc. fingerprinted right there. The later they called and let me know when it was in.
Average person doesn't need a hand gun..huh I was an average student at Widener University going to my car from my dorm one night when two young men stuck a gun under my chin and rooted through my pockets. They pulled the trigger and nothing happened, then the laughed, and ran into Chester. It took a while, but I was able to go places by myself. I was going to my bronco to get the rest of my laundry. It was October 1994. The average person huh, tell that to everyone who has been mugged, robbed, or had their home or business robbed. The police are only called after the fact, usually not during. __________________ "Without either the first or second amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! The second will be taken away first, followed by the first and then the rest of our freedoms."
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 4:31 PM | ||
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Does he think he is the only one who has the right to protect his life and the lives of his family? The fact is alot of Cops think like this. Usually the ones that were not raise around firearms. Dam Shame __________________ "from my cold dead hands"
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 5:00 PM | ||
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He said, "Well owning gun requires more responsibility than driving a car(oh really?)." My final response..."Yet driving is a priveledge whereas gun ownership is a right, go figure The stupidity of this statement amazes me. Automobiles are highly regulated by the government. The regulation of firearms pales in comparison to that of an automobile, even here in NJ. Dlouis...you went to the NJSP barracks in Hamilton right? My uncle is a sergeant there. PM me your name and the name of the officer you talked to today and Ill see what I cant do to speed the process up for you  __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 5:59 PM | ||
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I hate when you go in there for a simple form and they gotta give you there opinion and try to shame you. Years ago, I went in for a permit application and one of the officers groaned " there goes another one on the streets". I just shook my head at his ignorance. They swore an oath to uphold the laws of the state and if youre doing your part following the process of the law then they should keep thier ignorant ass opinions to themselves. __________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 6:47 PM | ||
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Hey Lou City or Twp? Whens the next time your headed down to the pines? __________________ Bordentown Deer Club..Tabernacle NJ In The Heart Of The Pines "We Love Our Country...We Love Our Country Nice And Loud"!!!
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 7:34 PM Last Edited By: lungbuster | ||
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I will pm so not to hijack post. __________________ "Without either the first or second amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! The second will be taken away first, followed by the first and then the rest of our freedoms."
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 8:46 PM | ||
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Follow up. I dropped off the application and mental health form along with my money orders today. The same trooper was on duty and his face pretty much showed his lack of excitement at seeing me again.
He took the forms after I signed the mental health in front of him as a witness. He gave me a form for with a number to call for getting electronically fingerprinted and I was off. Before I left, I wanted to confirm the name of the trooper in charge of processing it and was assured that he knew who's box to place the application in. I'm supposed to call for printing on Monday then I guess the wait begins. Based on what I've heard and excperience thus far, I'm not too optimistic about receiving it in a timely manner. But who knows, maybe they'll surprise me. Thanks all for your advice and support |
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| Posted: 12 May 2008 11:35 PM | ||
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WEnt to a gun show in PA this past Sat. Amazing watching guys pick out a handgun/rifle or an AR and a few minutes later, after showing a PA license and a quick NICS, they're good to go.
Being a NJ resident, I was looked and treated like a tourist from another country. I called the trooper barracks to get my case # since I need to put it on my Sagem Morpha fingerprint authorization form. My application hadn't been entered into the "Book" yet but I was given a # anyway. I was told that it will be the next in the current series. The trooper I spoke with today was a more polite as he went on a hunt for the application I submitted on Thursday. His final statement was to warn me that I'm going to have to wait anywhere from 3 to 6 months for everything to go through assuming I have a squeaky clean record. I told him that he'd be hard pressed to find a cleaner record than mine and that I believe the statute states that acceptance or denial is to be determined within 30 day for residents and 45 for a non-resident. His response was "Don't bet on it cause it's not gonna happen". I go to get printed of Thurs. afternoon. |
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| Posted: 13 May 2008 8:00 AM | ||
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Just keep calling. Get dates and names every time you call. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 13 May 2008 9:47 AM | ||
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Dlouis,
Please do me a favor and inform the officer that according to the head of NJSP and the head of SBI the processing time for permits is 2 weeks, the rest is admin/mail etc. The information might be sent down by mail but it is released through the teletype. I am fully aware of the statute that says 30 days and I am also familiar with the manual PDs receive from the State Police that states they should inform applicants that this process takes a couple of months, BUT there are also other avenues that can be utilized to make sure that they return the paperwork in a reasonable amount of time. |
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| Posted: 13 May 2008 12:56 PM | ||
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"Don't bet on it cause it's not gonna happen The fact that it you can get so much flack just trying to abide by the law and do things the right way speaks volumes to the problems we have in this state. I bet the scumbag that buys a stolen glock on a Irvington street corner doesn't get so much crap. Probably a thanks for the bussiness... I would like to get another encore frame and this process is why I haven't purchased it. I am sick of it... I guess they win... __________________ "from my cold dead hands"
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| Posted: 13 May 2008 4:59 PM | ||
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Quote: So frigging true.
The fact that it you can get so much flack just trying to abide by the law and do things the right way speaks volumes to the problems we have in this state. I had assumed that the NJ State Police would be above this stupid bs .... guess I was wrong. __________________ We, The People, are all first responders.
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| Posted: 15 May 2008 6:53 AM | ||
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I believe the statute states that acceptance or denial is to be determined within 30 day for residents and 45 for a non-resident. I've said it before and will say it again for those that will listen to the real deal. The law says 30 days BUT case law on the law in question has determined that a PD can take what ever time it takes to complete the background on the application. Now that doesn't mean that a PD should sit on their back sides and do nothing. BUT, a smaller PD that has say 1 person assigned to do the backgrounds, maybe a Detective, may at any time be busy on more pressing matters that would require the NJFID Application to be held up. This is acceptable as determined in at least a 1/2 dozen Superior Court cases that have been decided in NJ. So yell and scream all you want about 30 days. It might make you feel better but you are only going to piss off the people that are doing the work. It MIGHT just take a while longer every time you bother the people in question. __________________ "A bad day of hunting is better than a good day of work"
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| Posted: 15 May 2008 7:13 AM Last Edited By: Bowhunter22 | ||
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Being a retired Trooper, I would like to apologize on behalf of the outfit (NJSP) for the treatment that you received when you were simply trying to comply with required/mandated regulations/laws. If you would PM me with the name/badge number of the Trooper that you spoke with, I will try to assist behind the scenes. The greater majority of Troopers and Police Officers are very good people, courteous and respectful....just like with anything, a few have the uncanny ability to ruin the reputation and image of the entire organization/outfit/group. __________________ F&A Mason
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| Posted: 15 May 2008 7:24 AM | ||
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Being a retired Trooper, I would like to apologize on behalf of the outfit (NJSP) for the treatment that you received when you were simply trying to comply with required regulations. If you would PM me with the name/badge number of the Trooper that you spoke with, I will try to assist behind the scenes. The greater majority of Troopers and Police Officers are very good people, courteous and respectful....just like with anything, a few have the uncanny ability to ruin the reputation and image of the entire organization/outfit/group. 99.9% are top shelf guys __________________ TightLine AKA:Bill-Willie-Reel Er In
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| Posted: 15 May 2008 8:25 AM | ||
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Now that doesn't mean that a PD should sit on their back sides and do nothing. BUT, a smaller PD that has say 1 person assigned to do the backgrounds, maybe a Detective, may at any time be busy on more pressing matters that would require the NJFID Application to be held up. This is true and a delay of a couple weeks in cases like this is tolerable to most BUT to take MONTHS longer is NOT acceptable. It's criminal. Plus, wouldn't a smaller department have an easier time looking through the records of an individual that lives in the community who he/she most likely knows by name? __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 15 May 2008 9:03 AM | ||
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The law says 30 days BUT case law on the law in question has determined that a PD can take what ever time it takes to complete the background on the application. You are 100% accurate in regards to your comment and I do think that most police do their jobs in accordance with the laws. I also believe that unfortunately sometimes local politics come into play in high crime counties/areas. I personally feel that police are civil servants just like health care personnel etc. and have a duty toward the populace. While growing up I recall that Police Vehicles were marked "Protect and Serve" and I have noticed that this has been removed. There also is a precedent in a case that the Police are not obligated to protect you or can not be held accountable for your safety. It is a God given right for every living thing to protect itself so if the Police are not responsible for our protection then why do law abiding citizens not have the same right and are restricted by such laws that in all honesty are only a form of control. |
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| Posted: 15 May 2008 9:52 AM Last Edited By: Bowhunter22 | ||
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Police are not obligated to protect you or can not be held accountable for your safety What? How, when their hands are tied and the public that they are trying to protect is the first to condemn them? Officers/Troopers can only do so much to 'protect' each and every citizen. It is extremely frustrating putting your heart and soul into doing your job just to have the court system and liberals put them on the carousel back into society 'reformed'....only to have them re-commit similiar and more heinous crimes against citizens and society. Officers and Troopers do all of this for what, to be criticized and condemned for their efforts and dedication to 'protect and serve'? I truly hope that I do not sense another 'cop bashing' session brewing. Guess my earlier post has no relevance with certain persons. __________________ F&A Mason
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| Posted: 15 May 2008 10:32 AM | ||
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Plus, wouldn't a smaller department have an easier time looking through the records of an individual that lives in the community who he/she most likely knows by name? __________________ Not if it's a new person in town, someone who travels and the need for the state and Fed checks are needed, we don't know what is going on at their work place etc etc. The normal person that may apply that we do know, gets no special treatment as far as the app process due mainly to the liability attached. If we miss something and the person does something stuid with a gun purchased with an accelerated permit or card, we're left hanging out. That's not a position I will put myself, the dept or the Twp. in. __________________ "A bad day of hunting is better than a good day of work"
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| Posted: 15 May 2008 10:42 AM | ||
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Quote: That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever read. Cars kill more people per year than guns do.He said, "Well owning gun requires more responsibility than driving a car(oh really?)." __________________ United Bowhunters of NJ (LM) - President
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| Posted: 15 May 2008 11:32 AM | ||
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I truly hope that I do not sense another 'cop bashing' session brewing. With all due respect this is not a "cop bashing session" this is regards to the above post and laws. |
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