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| Posted: 20 Aug 2008 6:17 AM | ||
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Dlouis,
Keep calling. Don't let up. Ask for an update, just to be sure progress, if any is being made. |
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| Posted: 21 Aug 2008 8:43 AM | ||
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Dlouis,
I think your age and location(where you applied) has a big part to play in why you are having these issues. |
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| Posted: 21 Aug 2008 11:10 AM | ||
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I think your age and location(where you applied) has a big part to play in why you are having these issues. How so? I'm a bit confused. I'm 39 and live within yards of one of the most productive wildlife management areas in Monmouth county. Please elaborate. |
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| Posted: 21 Aug 2008 11:10 AM Last Edited By: Dlouis | ||
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| Posted: 22 Aug 2008 5:08 AM | ||
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I recall some of your posts on other forums in regards to firearms.
You state that you are an avid hunter and that your father has some pistols from your grandfather who was a LEO in JC. You also state that you have multiple non-resident carry permits from different states. In my view if you are such an "avid" hunter then why has it taken you this long to apply for an FID(usually avid hunters buy there own gear)? I am assuming you have a NJ Hunting License? Being that this state is one of the most restrictive in regards to firearm ownership, most hunters/weapons owners are familiar with this process and either wait it out or hire a lawyer. So from where I am sitting it just doesn't seem to add up.... |
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| Posted: 22 Aug 2008 11:07 AM | ||
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I recall some of your posts on other forums in regards to firearms. You state that you are an avid hunter and that your father has some pistols from your grandfather who was a LEO in JC. You also state that you have multiple non-resident carry permits from different states. In my view if you are such an "avid" hunter then why has it taken you this long to apply for an FID(usually avid hunters buy there own gear)? I am assuming you have a NJ Hunting License? Being that this state is one of the most restrictive in regards to firearm ownership, most hunters/weapons owners are familiar with this process and either wait it out or hire a lawyer. So from where I am sitting it just doesn't seem to add up.... Well, let me add a bit more that may either clear up or add to your confusion. I began hunting with my grandfather and father when I was young(small game, water fowl and pheasant/quail etc). I spent the bulk of my childhood into my late teens growing up in Totowa...a very conservative and "Gun friendly" town at the time. We always had guns around and I never had the need for an FPID card. Had I applied for the FPID card there, I probably would have gotten it in a couple of weeks as I knew every cop/politician in town; but there was no need. I attended college out of state when I was 17 and didn't return to NJ until my mid 20s. Then a few years later, I got a job out of state, got married, divorced etc. Moved back to the state to return to my roots and get "Grounded" in my mid thirties. Met my current wife and bought a condo in Matawan...concentrated on my business and a few years later, with plans to start a family, bought a house on a few acres in Millstone twp. Since I just moved to Millstone in Jan and am finally in a position(geographically, financially and timing wise) to once again enjoy not only hunting but all of the rural activities that both my wife and I so enjoy. I have plenty of firearms that I acquired legally while living out of state and I can probably get by with what I currently have. Do I take a chance hunting(with my valid hunting license) and hope that I'm not approached and asked to present my card? I would also like to pick up a 28ga that my wife could use at the range since she's shown interest as well. Among my grandfathers guns that my father would like to pass on to me are a P08 Luger and his Colt detective 38 special. I'm sure I could illegally take ownership of these and lock them up so no ones any wiser, but I might actually want to put some rounds through these someday, hence I've applied for permits as well. Having applied back in May, and after hearing about the difficulty many have had in getting their cards through the SP(actually told to me by a couple of friends who are cops in Totowa), I was concerned that I would not be issued one before the season starts. It seems my concerns might be well founded. As for my ccw permits...My parents have since become FL snowbirds and my sister has moved there. They all have permits and I applied for mine as well at the time. More for convenience than anything else. I applied for others due to the current lack of reciprocity between the states I visit. The point I try to make about having them is that the process for applying and receiving them is very efficient despite the fact that I am not even a resident of these states. They actually abide by their own statutes whereas NJ doesn't respect the laws it claims to uphold. For now I'm waiting it out. I can hunt PA if I want to since I do live close enough or I can take my chances that the laws will be interpreted properly if I'm approached and hunt my area. Either way, I will have a firearm in possession at the time and the consequences can be mitigated by possessing a FPID as well. Also, my father is more anxious to pass the handguns on to me than I am to take ownership so there is no rush there. Its about principal and the fact I must wait when I am not supposed to. It's also about the fact that one of my rights is to b!tch and moan when my others are being infringed upon. If it doesn't add up from where you're sitting, perhaps you should stand and take a look around. |
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| Posted: 22 Aug 2008 12:57 PM | ||
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Its about principal and the fact I must wait when I am not supposed to. Have you sought legal counsel? |
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| Posted: 22 Aug 2008 1:38 PM Last Edited By: Dlouis | ||
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No, I have not sought legal council although I have made myself aware of a couple of attorneys that people have used in the past for such matters.
I am no longer being ignored when I contact the SP for updates and I do speak regularly with the trooper who has assumed responsibility for getting this done(as well as his assistant). I consider he fact that he does live near me a plus as well. Is this progress? Perhaps or perhaps not, but if not, at some point I will consider representation. I'm a little over three months in with the process and will wait longer...but as the summer comes to a close, my impatience grows. If you are aware of my posts on another forum, you will know that there has been an initiative taken there to aid members by offering legal representation in such matters. For now, I'm sure this amounts to little more that a stern letter from the organization's retained attorney but it would be a first step nonetheless. To get back to your previous post, I still remain curious as to how you think my location and specifically my age would be contributing to the issues that I've been having? |
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| Posted: 22 Aug 2008 1:51 PM | ||
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There is one more thing.
My goal in relating my ongoing story is twofold. Not only am I trying to gain insight into what else to expect in this process, but I also want to help bring the bs that the "State" is putting people through into the spotlight....not to provide fodder for internet detectives looking for holes in cross forum posts. As I stated before, I firmly believe that others who apply through the same barracks that I have will have far less issues because of my experience. |
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| Posted: 22 Aug 2008 2:44 PM Last Edited By: bloodtrails | ||
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The point I try to make about having them is that the process for applying and receiving them is very efficient despite the fact that I am not even a resident of these states. Truth. Florida is known to have the longest wait for out of state CCW permits. Usually between 45-90 days. That beats most PD's in NJ for simple NJ FPID's and pistol permits. For me, New Hampshire took about 10 days, Utah about 3 weeks and my in state VA CCW permit took 3 days and I was issued an apology that it took "so long" because someone was on vacation. There is no excuse for this NJ madness. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 22 Aug 2008 5:16 PM | ||
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and I do speak regularly with the trooper who has assumed responsibility for getting this done(as well as his assistant) Dlouis, Im not making excuses for anyone... but when I read this it reminded me of what happened to me at work (not LEO) recently. I stepped up to help someone that was not necessarily my job, and they went complaining to my boss saying xyz about me. Not saying youre doing that at all. Just saying the barracks may be an unorganized mess and the trooper may have stepped up to help you out. Do not take the BS though. Good luck! |
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2008 12:53 AM | ||
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Dlouis, Im not making excuses for anyone... but when I read this it reminded me of what happened to me at work (not LEO) recently. I stepped up to help someone that was not necessarily my job, and they went complaining to my boss saying xyz about me. Not saying youre doing that at all. Just saying the barracks may be an unorganized mess and the trooper may have stepped up to help you out. Do not take the BS though. Good luck! Exactly. I know who was in charge when I first applied and I know that the person I'm dealing with now is tasked with trying to fix the mess that previously created. My current contact has made it a point to be available when I call to inquire and I know that none of the issues I am having are due to incompetence on his part. When I speak to him, I can tell he is dealing with new unknown issues that are popping up every day. The last thing I would want to do is throw him under the bus because I know he has tried and continues to try and right things. Should I seek legal representation, I would not be comfortable knowing that he might be held personally accountable. As long as he remains committed to working with me, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and the time to get things in order. Ultimately, I blame the state and AG's office for not complying with it's own statutes and for not providing any oversight to assure that the various depts are complying. BT, My FL took under 30 days at the time, but I've heard it now takes longer due to the fact they are inundated with applications and are understaffed. Now, the Commonwealth of VA took only 10 days for a non resident. Amazing...They even sent me a receipt for my check within 3 days of receiving the application. Any state that has a turnaround like that is OK in my book. |
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2008 5:45 AM | ||
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Ultimately, I blame the state and AG's office for not complying with it's own statutes and for not providing any oversight to assure that the various depts are complying. Have you addressed this issue directly with them? What channels have you used (besides the net) in resolving your problem? I do not agree with the statute and the 30 day time frame but I respected it, when the time was up I made the appropriate phone calls and the issue was resolved, because everyone has a boss.... When I reapplied for a couple of more handgun purchase permits I received them within the 30 days so no complaints on my part. I didn't like posse comitatus when I was in, and probably will like it less if I decide to go back, but I respected it and did my job within the law. I suggest you do the same. |
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| Posted: 16 Nov 2008 11:25 PM | ||
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Though I'd update. Called on Nov 14th and was told that my permits and fpid were there waiting for me to pick up. I picked them up yesterday and see that the permits were dated the 11th.
applied - 5/8/2008 received - 11/15/2008 191 days |
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| Posted: 17 Nov 2008 10:41 AM | ||
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191 days Unreal  __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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