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| Posted: 02 Jul 2008 10:25 PM | ||
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stil waiting for my card, its been so long i forgot how much it cost 
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| Posted: 03 Jul 2008 3:23 PM | ||
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Did you get your card yet? I was there on Tuesday to drop off my application. The trooper at the desk had no answers to my question about fees, and returned the application, and asked me to contact a Sgt there.
Called today, the Sgt. wasn't available, but the trooper at the desk had the answers. $54 for the fingerprinting, $5 for FPID, and $2 per handgun purchase permit. |
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| Posted: 05 Jul 2008 10:33 AM | ||
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I could'nt find the web page,but here is a link to the same info[url=null]www.chiplakenews.org/WSCnjfpIDcard.htm[/url]
at the bottom of the page it says expect to wait 90 days or more.....for me its been 75 days and counting...its amazing how long it takes...I've read where a guy 7 miles from me in a different town got his in 30 days........in a computer run world they should know who you are in less than a week or 1 day for that matter......... |
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| Posted: 05 Jul 2008 3:31 PM | ||
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I could'nt find the web page,but here is a link to the same info[url=null]www.chiplakenews.org/WSCnjfpIDcard.htm[/url] at the bottom of the page it says expect to wait 90 days or more.....for me its been 75 days and counting...its amazing how long it takes...I've read where a guy 7 miles from me in a different town got his in 30 days........in a computer run world they should know who you are in less than a week or 1 day for that matter......... There are many PD's that get it done in 30 or less. It's very possible if you don't have officers purposely dragging their feet. In most places in America they run background checks in minutes with the same exact results of NJ's over-reaching and intrusive system. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 11 Jul 2008 3:50 PM | ||
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Small yet significant update.
I called again and asked to speak to the specific trooper regarding the fpid card. I was told he wasn't there but that they could check to see if it came in while I held on the phone. Well, after a couple of minutes, a different trooper came on the phone, apologized and asked me to bear with him. He asked my name and looked it up in the log book. Meanwhile, he explained to me that he was straightening a few things out and that he would be taking care of my application. After finding my name in the log book, he said that my package had not been sent to division and that he would be looking into it in more detail. He asked that I call him back on Sun and he'll have more information for me. Finally, I have confidence that things will be moving forward and that someone is taking serious, the responsibility required to get this done. |
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| Posted: 11 Jul 2008 4:04 PM Last Edited By: bloodtrails | ||
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he said that my package had not been sent to division There are people that would say that you shouldn't call and check on these things because you may piss someone off and they will drag their feet longer. I've never seen that to be the case. If you hadn't checked on this and found out someone dropped the ball you would be waiting forever. However, it's truly sad that you are back to square 1. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 11 Jul 2008 4:30 PM | ||
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| Isn't it against the law for them to not issue the permit, or deny in a specified amount of time? Not that you could do much about it. | ||
| Posted: 11 Jul 2008 7:13 PM | ||
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Based on my conversation with the trooper, I got the impression that mine was not the only ball that had been dropped and that the issue might have actually been of a larger scope...large enough to attract the attention of a higher authority. Though, this is just conjecture on my part.
Being at square one, although frustrating, is far better than being in limbo. I doubt it, but perhaps, given that they realize the delay is their fault, they might be able to expedite the process. |
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| Posted: 11 Jul 2008 9:44 PM | ||
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Im a bit over 2 months now. At 3 months, I file a petition in Superior court stating Ive been agreived by their failure to comply w/ the statute.
Enough is enough. |
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| Posted: 11 Jul 2008 11:12 PM | ||
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Im a bit over 2 months now. At 3 months, I file a petition in Superior court stating Ive been agreived by their failure to comply w/ the statute. Don't be surprised if it's met with indifference. I believe NJ courts have already set a precedent where it states the 30day requirement is not an absolute when multiple factors are part of the process. The simple truth is that there is no recourse when the state passes laws that pertain to the enforcers and the enforcers choose not to follow those laws. NJ is leaps and bound ahead of all others when it comes to the outward illusion that a citizens rights are not violated. So good, in fact, that it even stands up in court. |
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| Posted: 15 Jul 2008 10:55 PM | ||
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Not legal advice, ymmv etc.
There is a NJ Appellate Court decision from 1998 (Adler v. Livak 705 A.2d 1218) that still appears to be good law. Basically in that case the court held that if the delay is SBI or FBI reports, they dont have to issue FID within 30 days. But once the FBI and SBI checks are returned and no cause for denial, they must issue the permits. "We thus conclude that the inability of the chief of police to obtain the requisite SBI and FBI reports within the thirty day period constitutes "good cause" for a denial, but does not require the chief of police to deny the application [***7] on that account. He must withhold rendering a decision on the application until the fingerprint reports are obtained from the SBI and the FBI. If the reports so obtained do not disclose a criminal conviction or any other disqualifying disability, the "good cause" for the denial of the permit evaporates, and an identification card must be granted immediately. Conversely, if the SBI or FBI report yields information disclosing good cause for the denial of a permit, the ap-plicant should be notified in timely fashion." |
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| Posted: 16 Jul 2008 9:43 AM | ||
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...If the reports so obtained do not disclose a criminal conviction or any other disqualifying disability, the "good cause" for the denial of the permit evaporates, and an identification card must be granted immediately.... I'm curious how this would be interpreted if the police dept failed to start the investigation(request the FBI/SBI checks) until 60 days after the individual submitted the application. |
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| Posted: 16 Jul 2008 10:19 PM | ||
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Quote: I'm curious how this would be interpreted if the police dept failed to start the investigation(request the FBI/SBI checks) until 60 days after the individual submitted the application. Id bet that if that was the case, the Court would order them to submit the requests within 15 days of the court's order. From that point, the applicant would be at the mercy of those reports coming in, and the PD issuing them once the reports hit. Then again, we are talking about NJ.  No one likes to get spanked in court so....
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| Posted: 17 Jul 2008 6:14 AM | ||
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16 weeks and waiting in Warren County.
I'm changing my address on my FID and applying for a PPP. I'm feel I'm being messed over by NJSP. No returned calls by the firearms trooper. No answers as to why it's taking so long. I have had a FID for 38 years and never had a problem changing my address or applying and recieving a PPP in 3 other towns. What's going in Warren County? |
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| Posted: 17 Jul 2008 6:24 AM | ||
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What's going in Warren County? Your rights are going.... Wait, they're gone. Keep calling. Climb the ladder. Don't take no for an answer. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 17 Jul 2008 9:23 AM | ||
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| I'll keep calling and see who I can get to. | ||
| Posted: 25 Jul 2008 8:35 PM | ||
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update
65 days in...references just contacted. |
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| Posted: 25 Jul 2008 11:40 PM | ||
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| Some PDs wait for the SBI and FBI searches to come back before contacting references. So... I hope thats the case for you! | ||
| Posted: 26 Jul 2008 8:13 AM | ||
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my personal record search came mailed to my home in a week. I drove to i think it was toms river, did the digital prints.. and then they mail the info to my address.
The state had some wrong info ss# etc.. I am getting that straight now. They actually had two listed under my name.. wierd. In pa everything is straight. So there really is no excuse other than dragging their feet. Proving this is more difficult than seeing it. What a police state NJ has become. Some police have become crainium enlarged due to their role and their opinions. Basically their own influence over your gun rights.. What a shame. __________________ "Without either the first or second amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! The second will be taken away first, followed by the first and then the rest of our freedoms."
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2008 2:25 PM | ||
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Update...
Got a call from the NJSP last night. Thought they were calling to tel me the card was in. Instead, I was told that I had to come down to the barracks and and sign a mental health inquiry release form. I told them that I had signed it (in triplicate) when I had submitted my application and the trooper working the desk has also signed it as a witness. This trooper told me that, regardless of whether or not I signed it, he didn't have it and he needs it to complete the investigation. I jumped in the car, headed down, met with the trooper(nice kid) and we both signed the form. He told me he would fax the form out right away and that he would get the info the next day. After he receives the info, he'll submit it for card/permit issuance. The two troopers I've been dealing with are straight up guys. I believe they have been tasked with straightening out some of the fallout from others' irresponsibilities. I'm thinking that they are catching the heat from people in a similar situation as mine that should really be directed towards their predecessors. The good news is that I believe whoever applies for their card after me will more than likely be treated with the professionalism and courtesy that they deserve. |
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| Posted: 04 Aug 2008 10:09 PM | ||
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Hi Gents,
Just a post from over at NJCSD. It took me 6 weeks to get on my representative's calendar, but when I did I gave an earful of these complaints which we have been monitoring on a thread at NJCSD. She called my local PD and got my spouse's FPID card released the next week. She also promised to look into all this monkey business at 'a higher level'. Not sure if she ever did, but working the representative avenue I am sure saved us an even longer delay. Just an FYI, nothing definitive beyond that, I wish everyone here a better experience than mine in this state of NJ... __________________ Joe
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| Posted: 04 Aug 2008 10:46 PM | ||
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| Picked up my duplicate/change of address FIDC card this morning in Readington township they did it in 20 Days...I was extremely pleased. | ||
| Posted: 05 Aug 2008 6:23 AM | ||
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I'll thank you here to Joe...
I'm waiting 19 weeks and still counting. RD |
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| Posted: 05 Aug 2008 10:19 AM | ||
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Update...
Called again for my application status and it seems that my initial application date is now considered to be July 22, the date that I went in to sign another mental health release form. They were surprised that I would inquire so soon after applying. I had to state the details to them once again.
I just found out that my fingerprint information might be MIA. Apparently, when I was given a case # to place on the sagem morpho form, it was rather random and not what ended up actually being assigned to me. The case # I was originally given is actually assigned to someone else whereas my true # is some 30+ cases later. Also the form that I returned to the barracks with the information filled out by sagem morpho after I was printed is nowhere to be found. I was able to provide an application id #, etc and await to see if it all gets straightened out. I'm surprised any criminal cases ever get solved in this state. This reaffirms my belief that you can only depend on yourself for the protection of you and yours. As they say, when seconds count, the police are..........confused
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| Posted: 05 Aug 2008 10:24 AM | ||
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Sometimes I think the police would rather not issue you a FID card.
Last year at the Raritan Hunting show, the NJSP had a booth set-up. I started a friendly conversation with the officers and started talking about the FID application process. I told them that NJ really needs to streamline this process because the delays are crazy long sometimes. The only response I got from the officer was....."Why do you need a gun?" Unreal __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 05 Aug 2008 10:40 AM | ||
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The only response I got from the officer was....."Why do you need a gun?" I got a similar response at Newark Airport when checking a firearm and hollow point bullets. The officer said "why do you need hollow point bullets"? I answered with the question "Why do YOU need hollow point bullets"? Sadly, he didn't know the answer... __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 13 Aug 2008 10:44 AM | ||
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none of that troopers business why you want an FID...i hate cops like that __________________ Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.
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| Posted: 17 Aug 2008 9:46 PM | ||
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Update...
Called again, other than being told my fingerprint card # was found, I have no idea whether or not I'm anywhere near the end of this ordeal. Past 90 days in For schnitz and giggles, I'm going to apply for as many nonres CCW permits that I can. I'm willing to bet that by the time I'm done, I still won't have my NJFPID card. |
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| Posted: 19 Aug 2008 2:23 PM | ||
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Up-Date
Just picked up mt FID and PPPs. 21 weeks from the NJSP. |
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| Posted: 19 Aug 2008 7:29 PM | ||
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Reddot,
Congrats... Alas, I still wait. |
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