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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 7:12 AM Last Edited By: Matty | ||
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Matty I'm getting sucked back into this. That photo should of been pulled at once. Falls under the same warning that was given about posting pics of game showing blood or wounds. here's a Variations of a poem about the Jews from WW II First they came for the Trappers, - but I was not a Trappers so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Bowhunters - but I was not a bowhunter so I did not speak out. Then they came for the gun hunters, - but I was not a gun hunter so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me. The poem is very powerful, and in many ways I agree with standing united. However, I also beleive we have to police our own ranks and sometimes the line is very blurry. I dont think the original picture and thread needed to be pulled. In retrospect, it probably only needed a title change and edit of the first post. Something more along the lines of: "Is this for real? Anti hoax?" Since there was no factual story to back up the pictures, a neutral thread questioning the validity would have been fine in my eyes. Trappers would have been able to educate the non-trappers without having to become defensive. I think most people were under the impression that the bear in the first photo was trapped by accident. I dont believe that to be true at all. In my opinion, it looked like it was setup specifically for bears. Seriously, how many bears have accidentally been caught by trappers trapping for animals like fox, coyote, raccoon? I cant even see it being possible. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20. Had we caught that early enough and realized what a problem it would have become, I'm sure things would have been handled much differently. It wasnt, and thats why we're looking for everyones input on the matter. The way I see it, the pictures were already out there for the world wide web to see. Posting them here is no more damaging than the original pictures. At least the thread on this site may have helped dispell some myths. The videos posted were extremely educational and showed how important trapping is for the welfare of our wildlife. Only a couple, vocal members of the site cried out against it and most of them changed their stance after some light was shed on the subject. Be grateful for that. If they had only seen the posts on NJ.com, they would never have had the opportunity to hear from actual trappers and gain valuable information on the subject. Instead of thinking a few people saw the pictures and were upset by it, realize they would be upset anyway. Instead, think about the minds you changed by putting the truth out there. Knowledge is power. Bob, I sincerely hope you're back to stay, I enjoy reading your posts about woodwork, duck hunting, etc. You're a knowledgeable outdoorsmen with a lot of information to share. Stick around. ---Matt __________________ "Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson
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BOB is a wealth of knowledge __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 7:39 AM Last Edited By: gobblergetter | ||
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I think most people were under the impression that the bear in the first photo was trapped by accident. I dont believe that to be true at all. In my opinion, it looked like it was setup specifically for bears. It is a Fremont Foot Snare, designed specifically for Bear and used by WildLife Biologist all over the country. It was not caught in a regular snare, by accident. I have personally been with Fish and WildLife Biologist when Bears were caught in Foot Snares and I never saw any damage done to the foot. When possible a culvert trap is used to catch the bears, but it is not practical when the trap needs to be set a long distance from access. (besides...crackpots have been known to use them as toilets )
And I totally agree that this site is a better place with Bob around. The world could use a few more Bobs. __________________ <- <- <- <- ~ <- <- <- <-
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 7:50 AM | ||
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I quess if you never missed 2 or 3 seasons because you were over seas U wouldn't get it TOO BAD
------------------------------------------------ Hey guys help me out do you think the above sataement is a bash? Any other comments would have been sent by email but the little Clown has no email address listed. I looked first.My address is? Note: I still have not mentioned any name my name is listed on page 3 of this post. This is the only hunting site I read or post on and have only been here for a short time.I enjoy the site info and pics here.I know no matter how long you hunt or fish there is always something to learn.The few guys I now know here have proven to be great guys. There is a fishing site I have been on for quite some time. Now I'm new to another fishing site but have been reading posts with great info for the past year or so. I'm new on that site due to a member from here telling me to jump on. This site had a pissing contest when I got here in Nov.07 and one or another has not stoped since. One more shot at my name and I'm out and if any MOD wants tell me and I'm out now what a shame and black eye to all of us and the SOPRT WE LOVE ( if you disgree with someone post once and than take to email or some other place) __________________ NJHUNTER ED INSTRUCTOR
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 7:51 AM Last Edited By: Matty | ||
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And I totally agree that this site is a better place with Bob around. The world could use a few more Bobs. Actually that name is already very popular, maybe we should call them Johan's... 
On a serious note, it just occurred to me that we could really fix this situation. What if we reposted the pictures, with an informative post by either a trapper or wildlife worker from the NJDFW, explaining that the trapping of that bear was no accident. Explain why those injuries appear to have been made postmortem, how the injury rate is low, how responsible regular trappers are, include links to education trapping videos, etc. It could be a real eye opener for many people who've been misinformed. We could lock it and stick it to the top for a while. That way the truth could get out there without 9 pages of insults dragging it down. What do you guys think? __________________ "Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 7:58 AM | ||
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I quess if you never missed 2 or 3 seasons because you were over seas U wouldn't get it TOO BAD ------------------------------------------------ Hey guys help me out do you think the above sataement is a bash? Any other comments would have been sent by email but the little Clown has no email address listed. I looked first.My address is? In my opinion, no I wouldnt take that as an insult or a bash. Hard to say without the full text from both sides though. I would have to say that calling the person a "little Clown" would be insulting. So you may be more guilty than the person you're upset with. You have to look at things from both sides. THAT BEING SAID! I think this should be handled in emails or PM's. If you cant email the person, PM them. If that doesnt work and you're still upset, PM or email a moderator or admin. Lets not let this thread go off course please. ---Matt __________________ "Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 8:01 AM | ||
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great idea Matty __________________ Capitalist - Pro Staffer
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Quote: Or just ignore them. Almost 4000 members and only a dozen or 2 wise guys. IGNORE THEMand they'll go away.THAT BEING SAID! I think this should be handled in emails or PM's. If you cant email the person, PM them. If that doesnt work and you're still upset, PM or email a moderator or admin. __________________ >>>>----> NJH Pro Staffer.
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 8:09 AM Last Edited By: REEL ER IN | ||
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Matty well said but if you don't like LITTLE CLOWN
than don't get CUTE after posting your opinion once or the BA!!$ to use a guys name in a neg. post. THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT BY THE WAY I DID POST a PM A SAID SEND ME AN EMAIL! I GUESS THIS GUY WANTS COMPANY __________________ NJHUNTER ED INSTRUCTOR
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 8:13 AM | ||
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can we just bury the hachett with this thred and have it be done with.. __________________ Ima meatatarian.... i only eat meat...it's a personal choice that i have made....
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 8:14 AM | ||
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 8:20 AM | ||
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ENOUGH IS A ENOUGH GhillieScout1
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On a serious note, it just occurred to me that we could really fix this situation.
What if we reposted the pictures, with an informative post by either a trapper or wildlife worker from the NJDFW, explaining that the trapping of that bear was no accident. Explain why those injuries appear to have been made postmortem, how the injury rate is low, how responsible regular trappers are, include links to education trapping videos, etc. It could be a real eye opener for many people who've been misinformed. We could lock it and stick it to the top for a while. That way the truth could get out there without 9 pages of insults dragging it down. What do you guys think? Is anyone willing to write up a post like that with facts, pictures, videos to back it up? It may be a bit of work, but well worth it in my opinion. If you dont want your name on it, email the info to me and I'll post it. matty@newjerseyhunter.com __________________ "Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson
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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH GhillieScout1
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 8:24 AM | ||
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ghillie serious.. ur how old... there is no time for fooling around anymore.... its getting kinda pathetic that everyon is trying to meet ends meet and then u throw more gas on the fire...
im tired of seeing things like this... i love to hunt, fish, and love the outdoors more... i do wte i can do for it... and this is what this site is about to communitcate and keep all of our passions going... everyone is just making enemies and getting no where.... so fight to keep what u love alive not enemies... just let it be.... grow up __________________ Ima meatatarian.... i only eat meat...it's a personal choice that i have made....
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 8:32 AM | ||
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Kevin I said I'm sorry FIRE OUT __________________ NJHUNTER ED INSTRUCTOR
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 8:36 AM Last Edited By: Dirtracing | ||
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bill... yeah i know u def are.. u have been sucha stand up guy...im not here to make enemies.. we do have to go fishing on the 5/10 lol.....but im 25 years old i dun need to deal with this.. i lvoe signing on the site everyday and relaying information back and fourth with people.... setting up things having a good time... but its getting to the point were its going to be a waste of time to come on here now to seen grown men bicker like 1st graders on who is gonna go downt he slide first.... i want to teach the younger generation all about how to save the tradition, love the sport that we have learned to love not breakign it down.... i can bet there are probably a million kids that come on here.. just to check out the photo's of fish or deer or any other animal we as adults go out and take... i am also sure they skim the threds too.... n read us grown men arguing or stupid things.. correct me if i am wrong but is that what you would want ur kids to see? __________________ Ima meatatarian.... i only eat meat...it's a personal choice that i have made....
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 8:44 AM Last Edited By: REEL ER IN | ||
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correct me if i am wrong but is that what you would want ur kids to see? Your 100% on the $$$  NOW I FEEL LIKE A REAL SMU@%__________________ NJHUNTER ED INSTRUCTOR
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bill... yeah i know u def are.. u have sucha stand up guy...im not here to make enemies.. we do have to go fishing on the 5/10 lol.....but im 25 years old i dun need to deal with this.. i lvoe signing on the site everyday and relaying information back and fourth with people.... setting up things having a good time... but its getting to the point were its going to be a waste of time to come on here now to seen grown men bicker like 1st graders on who is gonna go downt he slide first.... i want to teach the younger generation all about how to save the tradition, love the sport that we have learned to love not breakign it down.... i can bet there are probably a million kids that come on here.. just to check out the photo's of fish or deer or any other animal we as adults go out and take... i am also sure they skim the threds too.... n read us grown men arguing or stupid things.. correct me if i am wrong but is that what you would want ur kids to see? You're right, nobody wants to see the arguing. Name calling, sarcastic remarks, etc, its all childish. Just about everyone can be guilty of doing wrong at some point or another though, so we have to learn to forgive mistakes too. Furthermore, arguing may be childish, but debating is not. What some view as arguing, may actually be healthy debate, which I view as growth. Communicating with each other allows us to better understand each other, allows us to police our ranks. It allows us to grow and better ourselves. Without it, we'd never move forward, we'd be left in the dust. The antis would roll over us like an ant under a bowling ball of evil. At times it may seem damaging to our way of life, but the facts are in support of our sports! We have nothing to hide, we ARE in the right, the facts dont lie. __________________ "Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 9:05 AM Last Edited By: Cat | ||
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Man I sign on here this morning and we are all still at it. iron sharpens iron but then after it's shapened to use it on each other it's not good.
We all I guess have to watch waht is said so we don't get things misunderstood. I have noticed some others on here less and less each day. Maybe because there hasn't been much to really post on lately but for what ever reason it seems as though thats what's happening. We are really all brothers in one sence even if it's from another mother in that we hunt, fish, trap, shoot or chase women? I was hard on the guy that caught the hammerhead myself and that could have escalated into a fight and I was hard on the sargent of arms Matty with Frankinsteins deers and kidded with Franken birds. I'm sorry to and shouldn't have said anything about the cherioos either. I don't like to hear anyone leave even if your a know pain everyones butt? There has been several here that have left and I hope this can be a lesson and we all are able to be friendlier to one another. The gatherings are a great way to meet each other and settle any differances and put faces with each other rather than typed words that leave you out in the cold and hated. We need to start catching and killing again to settle the unrest between seasons. This is a new dawn and today we can walk upright once again 
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cat... i agree its what i have been gettin at... __________________ Ima meatatarian.... i only eat meat...it's a personal choice that i have made....
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 9:15 AM Last Edited By: rbates | ||
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In retrospect, it probably only needed a title change and edit of the first post. Something more along the lines of: "Is this for real? Anti hoax?" Matty, Being the original poster of the article, I completely agree with you. I don't think I should have labeled it "Not Right" and I also should not have jumped to conclusions such as "This is cruel." I do however "wonder what the story was behind it." I apologize for my ignorance on the subject although, had I not posted it like I did, I don't know that we (I) would have gotten all the great information out of the thread like we did. I mean there are ALOT of knowledgeable people on here that changed my view on the pictures I saw posted on NJ.com. I thank you all for that. Quote: On a serious note, it just occurred to me that we could really fix this situation. What if we reposted the pictures, with an informative post by either a trapper or wildlife worker from the NJDFW, explaining that the trapping of that bear was no accident. Explain why those injuries appear to have been made postmortem, how the injury rate is low, how responsible regular trappers are, include links to education trapping videos, etc. It could be a real eye opener for many people who've been misinformed. We could lock it and stick it to the top for a while. That way the truth could get out there without 9 pages of insults dragging it down. What do you guys think? Quote:
In retrospect, it probably only needed a title change and edit of the first post. Something more along the lines of: "Is this for real? Anti hoax?" I think this an excellent idea and I'd be very interested in what F&G would have to say on this subject. I'll be the first to start this off and offer some more pictures from todays NJ.com paper along with comments that two of use have made to AlexCB on the site.. Here it is.. NJ Black Bear Caught in Snare Trap Inappropriate? Alert us.NJ Black Bear Caught in Snare Trap Another New Jersey Black Bear Caught in a Snare Trap Uploaded by AlexCB on 03/13/08 This photo is in the following galleries: Tags: bear, cruel, mutilate, pain, paw, snare, suffering, trap -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: click here to email this photo to a friend Share: Reddit | Digg | Yahoo! | Del.icio.us | Google Link: http://blog.nj.com/photos/a3fdbcc5a00f0e202c6255c702ffb0ed.jpg Include this image in your blog or website: 
Post a comment COMMENTS Posted By: AlexCB This photograph was taken in NJ in one of the state parks. Care should be taken when hiking in the woods and try not to go off trails. Please do not let your dogs off the leash. I warned my friends that their dogs could get caught in a snare and stopped letting them run. There were stories of dead bears being found, partially eaten by coyotes, because the snare wasn't checked on a timely basis. Inappropriate? Alert us.Posted on 03/13/08 at 10:12AM Posted By: AlexCB This photograph was taken in NJ in one of the state parks. Care should be taken when hiking in the woods and try not to go off trails. Please do not let your dogs off the leash. I warned my friends that their dogs could get caught in a snare and stopped letting them run. There were stories of dead bears being found, partially eaten by coyotes, because the snare wasn't checked on a timely basis. Inappropriate? Alert us.Posted on 03/13/08 at 10:12AM Posted By: tommcreary Probably another hoax...you get alot of pictures of snared bears???? NJ F&G uses snares to trap bears to gather information. The snares are put out and checked the same day. It's the only way they can gather information on movement and #'s. The odds that you walked across that many snared bears in NJ is impossible. When F&G sets the snares they use volunteers, deputy wardens, and County officers to patrol these areas to keep the public out. Also The snares that are used have a spring and a plastic coating over the cable to keep from injuring the bear. If your implying that these snares were'nt intended for the bears to begin with ...your wrong! They are snares specificly for bears, and in many OTHER states and in Canada it is legal to hunt for bears that way....NOT NJ so AlexCB mabey you should do some more homework before you post your nonsense pictures, and if your that concerned mabey you should volunteer to go out with F&G..... Inappropriate? Alert us.Posted on 03/14/08 at 7:50AM Posted By: AlexCB Tommcreary-You are so wrong. The snares should be checked on a daily basis, but there were instances where bears were found partially eaten by coyotes, etc. It is a downright lie that volunteers, deputy wardens, etc., patrol the area and keep the public out. ANYBODY CAN STUMBLE UPON A TRAP. In fact, where these photos were taken in NJ, F&W is REQUIRED to post a warning sign for the public, and NONE were in the area. Call F&W to verify that. You should do you homework, not me because I have all the facts. You are just trying to cover up the truth so the public will be kept in the dark about this barbaric method of using snare traps. Inappropriate? Alert us.Posted on 03/14/08 at 8:02AM Posted By: tommcreary It's not even the same type trap F&G uses, and in most cases the traps are set early morning and checked that very afternoon. F&G won't leave the snare overnight. And BTW a coyote wouldn't come close to that bear in a trap. A wolf pack MABEY...And since there are none in Jersey...I can tell you don't spend much time in the woods Inappropriate? Alert us.Posted on 03/14/08 at 8:33AM Posted By: rbateson Tom this guy obviously doesn't have any credible photos of a snared bear in NJ. All of these pictures are most likely brewed up off of the internet from somewhere like Canada or another state. As you mentioned, the F&G do stude bears using snares BUT they will not use a snare that will injure a bear in the manner that AlexCB is posting. I believe that the F&G care alot about our wildlife and take every possible measure to protect an animal from being harmed while studied. And as far a coyote approaching that bear, It would have to be nuts. One swipe with that paw and that coyote would be toast. Hey Alex I challenge you to verify that these pictures are from NJ state parks and would like a list of the parks you are seeing SO MANY snared bears. I spend ALOT of time in the woods and have never seen one yet. All of a sudden you have 4 different bears in two days? Come on. Who are you trying to kid? Stop misinforming the public with negative views in this state. Inappropriate? Alert us.Posted on 03/14/08 at 9:29AM __________________ 09 Crackerized Bowtech Captain
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Wow, the misinformation going on in that thread is sad.
I think an NJDFW representative needs to handle that. Heres some facts I know about the bear research snaring, feel free to share them with that nitwit. -Several "teams", consisting of trained njdfw wildlife control workers run the traplines in different sections of the state. Two teams of two will cover one area to make faster response times to any caught bears. This way one team can handle a snared bear, reducing the amount of time the bear is snared and the stress it is put through, while the other team can continue to check traps, making sure no other bears are snared for longer than necessary. -Traps are set early to mid morning. The same time traps are being set, they are being checked. Its a trap line. All traps are accounted for, and only a reasonable number of traps are set within reasonable distance of each other. This again helps cut down the time a bear may be snared. -EVERY single trap is checked at LEAST once a day. -Traps are left out overnight, however, they are all checked early the next morning. Removed, reset if triggered or relocated. No trap is left unchecked. -Antis and yes unfortunately even some "hunters" will "vandalize", trigger, break, etc. the traps when found. -The snare CAN NOT hurt you or any animal if it were to accidentally get snared. The snare slides back and forth, the only force used to hold the cable closed is the force which you apply. IF you or your dog were snared, simply slack the cable and step out. Besides, youd have to be pretty blind or just plain retarded to step in a box shaped set of logs with a bacon trail leading to it. - No bacon or scent is placed on/around the snare to prevent snaring of snout. The bacon/scent trail stops at the log box. -The logs are placed around the snare to make the animal step directly into the loop. -Care is taken in the handling of all the animals trapped. The workers really do care about the bears. They are not out to hurt them. I cant speak of injury rates or mortality caused by snaring, but from what I've seen, injury may be possible, but death seems nearly impossible. If anyone wants to post this info for AlexCB to read, please do. He needs to be educated and his lies need to stop. __________________ "Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson
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Lots of great suggestions in this thread.
In fact, there are so many good suggestions, I'm going to stick this to the top for future reference. Its hard for us to read through all the comments at once. Thanks to everyone who took the time to help. ---Matt __________________ "Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson
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Bump for Political BS, I think we all learned alot in this thread
Quote: Lots of great suggestions in this thread. In fact, there are so many good suggestions, I'm going to stick this to the top for future reference. Its hard for us to read through all the comments at once. Thanks to everyone who took the time to help. ---Matt __________________ "Mountain lions are showing up in places they haven't been in more than 100 years."
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