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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 10:31 AM | ||
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Theres many mature outdoorsmen on this site with as many if not more inmature button bucks. There has been a number of good men that have left this site because of the BS nonsence that goes on here perioud! Some do stir the pot and I'm one that gets bored with air sometimes. Calling names is unexceptable perioud and it dictates to me the condition of your heart when you call a name. If you can't rebait a thread proffesionally then rebait in some other pond. I don't beleive half the BS that gets told to us what can or can't be done. Stand on the truth and stand up like men or stay in little boys pants then. When a rule is broken in the real world if you get caught then theres a price to pay. To many do gooders waters the wine so I don't like watered wine. I need the full forment and so should you. Wait a minute let me check with my supervisor? Hold on now the supervisor could be younger than you with less sence? Abandon ship no one knows how to fight the fire? Meanwhile the cabin boy pees on it and extigushishs the fire because the rest said not my job mon? He oh stands for the right way walks with Giants 
Cat? Give me a few minutes to answer your posts, Robin and I are working on it! Just dont hurt the innocent people of Gotham! 
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 11:13 AM | ||
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How do we as moderators "enforce a followup of the rules"? I don't know, you as moderaters should know. Rules are set and consequences should be enforced. Are there actualy any "punishment" to any personel attacks or profanity? |
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 11:51 AM | ||
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Two Bears, it was a rhetorical question. My whole point is, we can't "enforce rules" without having the ability to dole out punishments.
There are rules, but no set punishments, and even if there were, we have no ability to put them into effect. We can "suggest" that a member be punished for certain rule violations, but thats it, admin has full control of punishment. Blame can not be placed soley on the mods. We're here, like the rest of you, to enjoy a hunting forum. We do our best to keep things under control, but its a lot of work and many people will not be happy with decisions we make. Its a thankless job, and most people really dont know what goes on behind the scenes. I'm trying to help clear that up so it can be better understood by everyone. Are we partly responsible, yeah, we dont catch or handle everything we can, but its also the fault of the ones who take advantage of the leniant consequences for rule violation. To sum things up. Admin wants to run a laid back site where you dont have to walk on eggshells to stay aboard the forums. Thats fine, its part of what makes NJH great, but its also at times what causes discussions that can turn ugly. Mods want to keep it running smooth, without a great deal of censorship, but have a hard time getting "troublemakers" to abide by rules when we have no power over consequences. The general membership just wants a place to come and share their outdoors experiences or knowledge. We want you to have that, Admin wants you to have that. Will it be perfect? Will everyone always be happy with decisions or changes? No...but we try. How many forums ask their members to openly voice their opinions on how we can make things better regarding heated topics, rule violations, etc. We want to make this place better for you, but that doesnt mean its always easy or that everyone will be pleased. As you can see, even this subject of rules, people are split in their thinking. Some think we should just discard heated debates under a rug. Others want them to be displayed. Again, all of us will never agree on everything, but we all need to respect each other all the time. When you're about to make a post, sit back and read it, make sure you're not insulting someone, or belittling them. Treat them with the same respect you expect from them. This wont solve everything, but we're working on it. We're always working on things to make them better. __________________ "Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 12:17 PM | ||
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Here's my $.02:
The more involved a moderator is in moderating, the more exposed they are from a liability standpoint. If for example someone "defames" someone and the mod doesn't remove or change that post fast enough, they can be sued since the offending party can show that the mods engage in a pattern of routine deletions/changes, but for some reason they singled that one person out and let him be "defamed" by not deleting the offending comment fast enough. Don't laugh. This should be a real concern. People sue just like that. My advice is to post VERY CLEAR AND UNAMBIGIOUS rules under which a post will be modded, and stick to that list come hell or high water. __________________ Please don't shoot my avatar.
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 1:51 PM | ||
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Matty,
I respect you coming to the general membership of the board asking for their opinion. It speaks volumes. My opinoin is a thread shouldn't be locked just because it's controversial. These theads have the best chance of educating people. All the posters in the thread have to make a conscious effort to stay respectful. Ideally, this would happen without intervention from the mods. I am a mod on another forum and have found some things that work and some of the same frustrations you have. When a thread gets heated, temporarilly locking it till it can be edited is the best way to go. It gives the mods a chance to clean everyone's posts up that need it before the situation gets worse. Something showing the thread is locked for moderation is a good idea. It will help to elimiate all the questions of why it's locked. The idea of a feature to flag the offending posts is a great one if you have the ability to put that into place. That would greatly cut down on the time it takes to sift through everything. Ultimately though, if you can't ban someone who really deserves it, you have no way to back up any of the rules. Perhaps the mods should have the power to issue a temporary ban. When a mod feels the need to ban someone, they would ban them, then post up on the mods section about it. Include who was banned, why and a link to the thread that caused the ban, if appropriate. Then the admin would review the ban and decide if it should stand or not. That way no mod has total power that could be abused, yet can effectively enforce the rules. Just a couple thoughts. __________________ Just a guy with a bow, some arrows, and a lot of hope...
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 2:11 PM | ||
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I'm getting sucked back into this. That photo should of been pulled at once. Falls under the same warning that was given about posting pics of game showing blood or wounds. here's a Variations of a poem about the Jews from WW II First they came for the Trappers, - but I was not a Trappers so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Bowhunters - but I was not a bowhunter so I did not speak out. Then they came for the gun hunters, - but I was not a gun hunter so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me. __________________ |
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 3:23 PM | ||
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First they came for the Trappers, - but I was not a Trappers so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Bowhunters - but I was not a bowhunter so I did not speak out. Then they came for the gun hunters, - but I was not a gun hunter so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me. That is Pretty POWERFUL I have to say.. __________________ 09 Crackerized Bowtech Captain
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 3:38 PM | ||
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I'm going to make this a nicer site...Matty check your PMs please. __________________ "I do not know of a greater good that an individual can render humankind
than to break the chains of political superstition." -- Tom Paine IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !!! |
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 3:38 PM | ||
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First they came for the Trappers, - but I was not a Trappers so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Bowhunters - but I was not a bowhunter so I did not speak out. Then they came for the gun hunters, - but I was not a gun hunter so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me. Come and get me they will never take me alive
Weren't you asked to please stay away from the shed? You bring up Robbin Matty who is a batboy. Why not bring up Catwoman then you can get my attention. Next you will say I'm the riddler? Gee thanks buddy
Doesn't every oganization have a Sargent at Arms? That's the enforcer in case this was before fine wine?
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 3:40 PM | ||
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I'm going to make this a nicer site...Matty check your PMs please. You gettin ready for Judgement day D?  
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 4:35 PM | ||
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So what repercussions are in place when someone threatens you via a PM or calls you an Ass___e, or a Di__Head, or uses profanity??
It happens every day... __________________ There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and Statistics.
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 5:27 PM | ||
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I think a council meeting is in order.
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 5:35 PM Last Edited By: MarksWorld | ||
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I believe an entire thread should not be deleted as it does provide both sides of a situation on any given topic. But when a post is made thats an attack thats COMPLETLY OFF TOPIC on another person involved is made then "it" meaning the single post should be deleted and handled behind closed doors
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 5:45 PM | ||
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So what repercussions are in place when someone threatens you via a PM or calls you an Ass___e, or a Di__Head, or uses profanity?? I could care less about the small stuff through pms. But if that person continues with harrasment of OFF TOPIC ACCUSATIONS in those pms then it should be also handled by the mods behind closed doors. Its completly wrong to make a false public accusation for all to see in a thread thats clearly made just to drag a persons name down 
The mods on the site have there hands full all the time and I think they do a fine job at all they do
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 6:29 PM | ||
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Quote: We have a post here on NJH that is a lot like this...
First they came for the Trappers, - but I was not a Trappers so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Bowhunters - but I was not a bowhunter so I did not speak out. Then they came for the gun hunters, - but I was not a gun hunter so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me. http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/article4990.htm Cannibals and useful idiots Written by John Wasmuth The following is real, and it’s here. Joe Hunter goes to a cocktail party, nothing fancy, just a holiday gathering in Anytown, USA. A conversation begins with Bob Peta, it goes something like this; “Say Joe, didn’t you go deer hunting this year.” “Sure did Bob.” “Man that’s, uh, great, did you get one?” “Yep, sure did, nice 6 point.” “Uh, wow, hey that’s great. Say listen Joe, yer a true hunter, a ”Real” hunter are you not?” “Yes, I sure am.” “Say, I hear tell of a kinda huntin where people can go and kill animals in fenced in areas. You’ve never done that have you?” “No, no I haven’t.” “Well I wouldn’t call that “real” hunting, would you Joe.” “Well, that’s not the way I hunt.” “I know Joe, but there are people that hunt in fenced areas, I don’t think that’s “Really” hunting, do you Joe.” “Well, uh, I guess not.” “Great, say listen Joe, a bunch of us concerned “Real” hunters are trying to get that done away with, we feel that it is unethical. Will you help us Joe?” “Well sure, because that’s not the way I hunt, and I am a “Real” hunter.” “Say thanks Joe; here is what we need you to do. As a “real” hunter, the big boys in senate and congress will listen to you; they know that any “Real” hunter only hunts the way you do, and that’s the only “Real” hunting there is. So what we need you to do is get out there and get petitions signed, people will sign them because you are a “Real” hunter and know that only your way of hunting is the “Real” way.” So Joe diligently goes after the goal, to ban and outlaw any kind of hunting that Bob suggests is not “Real” hunting. He gathers signatures, petitions courts, makes meetings, he is really cleaning up this “unethical” way of hunting. Hell, he’s got a lot of support. He’s gathering “Real” hunters from all over, and finally, after much hard work, they get a legal way of hunting banned. “Joe, you did great and we sure appreciate your hard work, but hey, let me tell you what I heard about. There is another kind of hunting “We” think is not right. Do you think you can help us?” “Well, I guess so Bob, I don’t hunt like that, so it’s not “Real” hunting. How can I help?” “Well, here is what we need…….,” and it’s the same story. Odd how Bob seems to keep adding onto the list of what “Real” hunting is, but Joe goes at it hard and heavy, and in the end, he gets that type of legal hunting banned. Bob and his “Friends” are happy. Joe’s a “Real” hunter after all, and these other guy’s, well, they are not, because the way they hunt is different from Joe, and Joe does not like that type of hunting, so what’s the harm in getting rid of it? Joe’s a “Real” hunter you know. Not like those other guys. He even goes to Sportsman’s organizations and recruits from within, it’s easy because there are a lot of “Real” hunters there. Time passes and more and more legal forms of hunting are banned. Bob and his “friends” are happy with Joe. He’s been a big help. After it’s all just about gone, Bob and his “friends” decide that it is time to get Joe’s way of hunting banned, the final chapter. “Bob, uh, hey buddy, this is Joe. I know I helped you get rid of all those other forms of legal hunting, but now there is a move to get rid of the way I hunt.” “Well Joe, I know. My “friends” and I are spearheading that.” “But Bob, I thought you liked the way I hunt, that it was ok for me to do the type of hunting I do.” “Well Joe, no, any and all types of hunting are bad, the poor defenseless animals never have a chance, and we dislike, actually hate hunters.” “But I thought the way I hunted was “Real” hunting to you.” “Hell Joe, it was all “ Real” hunting, but we at PETA and HSUS Hate you, but thanks for all your help, we really appreciate it.” You see, what Joe became was a “Cannibal”. A “Useful Idiot” to the anti’s and PETA. They don’t give a rat’s backside how you hunt, what you hunt, or when you hunt. They just want all hunting done away with. They use hunters against hunters to gain support for their “Causes”. If you do not support any and all forms of legal hunting, and decide to pick and chose the ones you like and dislike, and voice any decent about the way someone else legally hunts, you are in fact, a “Cannibal” and a very very “Useful Idiot” for the enemy. There are plants even within the sacred walls of your favorite Sportsman’s organizations. Route them out, expose them, and rid the board of them. Hunting’s future depends upon it. __________________ ............................................
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 8:01 PM | ||
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Quote: .....Is that right after you bashed meThere was a post today I would have sent an email to the guy if it were listed I looked first?  ....you my friend were WRONG ....and now I'm done with this and YOU MR REEL ER IN__________________ "Mountain lions are showing up in places they haven't been in more than 100 years."
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 8:24 PM | ||
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So what repercussions are in place when someone threatens you via a PM iF ANYBODY GETS THREATEND VIA PM OR EMAIL PLEASE LET ME KNOW I THINK I CAN HANDLE THIS ONE AND TRUST ME I WILL. We do not want that BS on here. This site is a great source of information and for the most part everyone i have met on here have been good people and i believe that most people on here are good people So If you got problems here and are constantly stirring the pot and creating a bad atmosphere THEN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE because we could all care less what you have to say. Matty i would pm the persons responsible and demand they stop maybe try keeping a record and if the become a constant problem then they should be put up for removal Maybe you can post it here and we can all vote someone out we all know who the trouble makers are anyway. __________________ If you like to video your hunts or fishing experiences check out
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 8:28 PM | ||
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Quote: Never happened to me but I know it has in the past to other members...So what repercussions are in place when someone threatens you via a PM __________________ There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and Statistics.
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 8:33 PM | ||
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Hey Outdoors, I was looking at your website and saw the pic of Julio Santiago. I met him once with a good friend of mine that lives in Jackson NJ Carlos Rojas, do you know him??? __________________ There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and Statistics.
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 8:41 PM | ||
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From now on...As I stand on the front lines defending our rights as outdoorsman. I will not only feel like one of the last 300 remaining Spartans. But I will do so while realizeing those opposing me are holding Mathews,Hoyts, Remingtons,and Brownings. __________________ Gobblergetter, I'm not a trapper, and have no intention of trapping but I carry a Mathews and a Remington and I can assure you that I will be standing side by side defending our rights as outdoorsmen! I brought my wife, 2 daughters and most of my club to the Battle of Monmouth/Clarksburg Inn...don't let the rantings of a few misguided elitist eccentrics taint us a a whole. Quote:
First they came for the Trappers, - but I was not a Trappers so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Bowhunters - but I was not a bowhunter so I did not speak out. Then they came for the gun hunters, - but I was not a gun hunter so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me Plotts...dead on. United we stand, divided we fall. __________________ Cranford Rod and Gun Club United Bowhunters of New Jersey New Jersey Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs |
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 8:50 PM | ||
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Gobblergetter, I'm not a trapper, and have no intention of trapping but I carry a Mathews and a Remington and I can assure you that I will be standing side by side defending our rights as outdoorsmen Thanks
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 8:56 PM | ||
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Trappers are a rare bunch & its nice to know this site has more than a few.
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 9:02 PM | ||
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Hey Outdoors, I was looking at your website and saw the pic of Julio Santiago. I met him once with a good friend of mine that lives in Jackson NJ Carlos Rojas, do you know him??? I never met carlos does he hunt? Julio is good people and one of the best turkey callers i ever heard. __________________ If you like to video your hunts or fishing experiences check out
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 9:02 PM | ||
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I was at my club tonight and one of our past presidents was there and he said he comes on here and reads and doesnt post. He is an AVID trapper, hunter, and fisherman and he says that thread sickened him. He puts ALOT of time in the woods. I remember days where he left hunting early to go check his trap lines. When hes not working, hes in the woods. Countryboys comment about sitting around watching tv waiting to go check trap lines really ticked him off. He said other trappers read this site and that thread is all over different trapping sites. News get around quick. __________________ Vice President
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 9:07 PM | ||
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I never met carlos does he hunt? http://www.jagermeistershepherds.com/ __________________ There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and Statistics.
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 9:12 PM | ||
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Countryboys comment about sitting around watching tv waiting to go check trap lines really ticked him off Countryboy made a lot of stupid comments in that thread. I think GobblerGetter said it right when he said that Countryboys comments concerning trapping showed that he knew about as much as a Cityboy would about trapping... __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 9:15 PM | ||
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Countryboy made a lot of stupid comments in that thread. I think GobblerGetter said it right when he said that Countryboys comments concerning trapping showed that he knew about as much as a Cityboy would about trapping... I hear ya Chris. I dont know anything about trapping but the one thing i do know is that my buddy who traps is in the woods ALL THE TIME. When hes not running his business with his father, he is in the woods. __________________ Vice President
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| Posted: 13 Mar 2008 10:15 PM | ||
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 6:42 AM | ||
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Lou, Mike is an awesome dude and a terrific representative of outdoorsmen trying too hard again   __________________ Git-R-Done
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| Posted: 14 Mar 2008 7:09 AM | ||
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may i suggest stalking needs to stop ...you know the guys that follow you around with no intent for info or adding info just to personally attack you..may i suggest stopping guys from posting in classified that have no intention on buying or asking ?'s they just want to tell you that its crap or i saw one on ebay cheaper..if you dont want to buy dont reply __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
CROSSBOWS are divisive....look whats happening to hunter unity if you cant answer some simple questions then its not that simple for me to donate to your cause "you know who you are" |
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