lost 8 pt near fidlers elbow golf coarse white house station

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but I also dont know the circumstances

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HERES ONE FOR YOUREELEMIN

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Not Everyone hits their mark 100% of the time.

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That's why I gave up bow hunting Maybe some other people might give it a thought.

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You might as well quit hunting all together then. 4 out of the 5 bucks I have on my wall had buckshot pellets in them or bird shot so you can't act like bowhunters are the only ones who make bad shots. That is why I'm not a big fan of deer drives. To many deer are shot at on the run and hit but never found or just wounded. ---To each their own

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That's why I gave up bow hunting Maybe some other people might give it a thought.

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shotgun hunters driving with buckshot wound way more deer than bow hunters..... that is why me and all my hunting partners gave that up...

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shotgun hunters driving with buckshot wound way more deer than bow hunters.....

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But I know a guy who shot a doe at 147 yds (that's not a typo... and yes, they used a range finder on it) with buckshot. He hit it in the head with one pellet so it dropped like a ton of bricks... he couldn't understand why I thought it was an unethical shot.

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now i know why bigstash and jakesbeard hate each other so much....but i do all bow gun and muzzy and i would THINK shotguns would leave you with more wounded deer

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what did he aim for maine unethical?? that shot is a miracle
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Posted: 17 Jan 2008 10:36 PM
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I was pushing last weekend discovered a years and a half 8 pt with a easton alumium arrow in his hip dead,with a thunder head.I was just wondering if andone hunting white house station wounded one this year in that area.The deer was mostly bones and skin had to have been from oct or nov.

Posted: 17 Jan 2008 10:57 PM
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Here we go with bad shots again!! That crap pisses me off, but I also dont know the circumstances, they do happen. __________________ When a gun-hunter sees the animal he wants- the hunts over. When a bow-hunter sees the animal he wants, the hunt is just begining !

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Quote: but I also dont know the circumstances Very True

Posted: 18 Jan 2008 6:51 AM
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Not Everyone hits their mark 100% of the time. __________________ Linden Sportsmen's Rod and Gun Club NRA Endowment Member NJSFSC UBNJ, New Jersey Outdoor Alliance NJOA Central Rep I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it. - Thomas Jefferson The sign of intelligent people is their ability to control emotions by the application of reason. - Marya Mannes

Posted: 18 Jan 2008 12:28 PM
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and not as many live thru it as you think.

Posted: 18 Jan 2008 2:14 PM
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Not every one with a firearm hits their mark either .myself included. How many of hunters out there harvest a deer and find buckshot in the rumps.

Posted: 18 Jan 2008 2:47 PM
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Yeah, mistakes happen and we all screw up once in a while so I'm not quick to judge (atleast until I know the facts). But I know a guy who shot a doe at 147 yds (that's not a typo... and yes, they used a range finder on it) with buckshot. He hit it in the head with one pellet so it dropped like a ton of bricks... he couldn't understand why I thought it was an unethical shot. __________________ Life Member NRA, NAHC, NAFC Member NJWF, NWTF, NRHRC, NJFSC Recording Sec. SORG

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what did he aim for maine unethical?? that shot is a miracle __________________ a bad day in the woods is better than a great day at work

Posted: 18 Jan 2008 4:00 PM
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That's why I gave up bow hunting Maybe some other people might give it a thought. Quote: HERES ONE FOR YOUREELEMIN Quote: Not Everyone hits their mark 100% of the time. __________________ Life Member NRA Life Member NJFSC Life Member NAHC Member DU Life Member VFW

Posted: 18 Jan 2008 5:09 PM
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droptine...bad shot does happen with a shotgun also

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Quote: That's why I gave up bow hunting Maybe some other people might give it a thought. You might as well quit hunting all together then. 4 out of the 5 bucks I have on my wall had buckshot pellets in them or bird shot so you can't act like bowhunters are the only ones who make bad shots. That is why I'm not a big fan of deer drives. To many deer are shot at on the run and hit but never found or just wounded. ---To each their own __________________ What makes a man a man? Is it his origins, the way he comes to life? I don't think so. It's the choices he makes. Not how he starts things but how he decides to end them. Member PBA local#105 Member UBNJ

Posted: 18 Jan 2008 5:29 PM
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Quote: You might as well quit hunting all together then. 4 out of the 5 bucks I have on my wall had buckshot pellets in them or bird shot so you can't act like bowhunters are the only ones who make bad shots. That is why I'm not a big fan of deer drives. To many deer are shot at on the run and hit but never found or just wounded. ---To each their own I agree 100%. I'm not a fan of deer drives either. I'd bowhunt anyday over doing drives!

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That's why I gave up bow hunting Maybe some other people might give it a That is the biggest assanine comment ive ever heard.Ive shot a ton of deer with the bow all ethical shots and have dies within 100 yards.Bad shots happen to everyone the more u practice with your weapon the better the shot u are common sense ass.

Posted: 18 Jan 2008 7:02 PM
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Quote: That's why I gave up bow hunting Maybe some other people might give it a thought. shotgun hunters driving with buckshot wound way more deer than bow hunters..... that is why me and all my hunting partners gave that up... let them grow.. 3 1/2+...

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Here we go! __________________ Can't wait to see the the "change".

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You guys would be surprised how many deer we kill with festering wounds, gangrene, and an assortment of other aliments due to poor hits with arrows. We throw out entire deer every year due to it. These animals are slowly dying from infection. They're usually scrawny and smell like rotting meat. I'm not saying we don't miss, cripple, or lose deer due to poor shots, but we make every effort to find cripples and are pretty successful. We'll re-drive the piece, or the piece it went in to. If they're bleeding we'll leave guys on the trail and use the whole club to head it off. I can count on my fingers the number of deer we lost and were found weeks later dead in 30+ years of hunting with the club. I'd need a calculator to keep track of the arrow kills we find dead in the woods every year along with the ones I mentioned above. I'm not against bow hunting and use to be a very avid one. Killed plenty with the bow, lost a few also. Just don't like the self-righteous putting down one way of hunting with false accusations when the facts say different. __________________ OSC

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Not trying to steal the thread, but Quote: I have never meta person who hit a deer with a car who followed up in the deer Jakesbeard, back in the late 60's, early 70's, my dad was coming back to NJ from PA hunting. He hadn't gotten anything. On the way home, he hit a deer. After examining the damage to his Javelin, the wounded and in bad shape deer was working it's way back into the woods. My dad ran after it, grabbed it around the neck and threw it into the trunk of his car. He then turned around and drove back to my grandmothers house where they finished what the car hit had started, and butchered it in her basement. Of course, I was just a youngin back then I really wish my dad had given me enough credit growing up to take me hunting with him. __________________ Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, Diet Coke in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" - Maxine http://www.MsGrit.com

Posted: 18 Jan 2008 9:49 PM
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Quote: That's why I gave up bow hunting Maybe some other people might give it a thought. TOTAL BS! Ive harvested a few bucks that have had buckshot in them from a previous year, and know many other guys that have done the same. But I know a lot less that have harvested deer with a broadhead in them. Every deer Ive shot with the bow has dropped within 100 yards. I cant say the same for the firearm. __________________ RACK-A-HOLIC "It'll look good in the back of my truck"

Posted: 18 Jan 2008 10:23 PM
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Quote: shotgun hunters driving with buckshot wound way more deer than bow hunters..... that is why me and all my hunting partners gave that up... YEAH......what he said

Posted: 22 Jan 2008 3:29 PM
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Quote: shotgun hunters driving with buckshot wound way more deer than bow hunters..... i want to back you up and say thats a fact two of my deer on my wall had buck shot in there ass

Posted: 22 Jan 2008 3:42 PM
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Just my opinion but.... wouldn't trying to hit running deer on a drive cause more unethical shots than bowhunting or "pot hunting" ?

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now i know why bigstash and jakesbeard hate each other so much....but i do all bow gun and muzzy and i would THINK shotguns would leave you with more wounded deer __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here" CROSSBOWS are divisive....look whats happening to hunter unity 8 out of 10 posts on crossbows are negative..."how was it a scientific survey"

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I also hunt bow, gun, and muzzy. I bowhunt mostly but, the way this thread started made it sound like bowhunters are just flinging arrows "willy nilly". I've been on drives and PERSONALLY don't enjoy them. It seems like more deer could be injured during a drive rather than "pot hunting" no matter what your shooting

Posted: 22 Jan 2008 4:02 PM
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Quote: But I know a guy who shot a doe at 147 yds (that's not a typo... and yes, they used a range finder on it) with buckshot. He hit it in the head with one pellet so it dropped like a ton of bricks... he couldn't understand why I thought it was an unethical shot. A guy in my hunting club shot a deer in the ass 307yds away and it dropped like a ton of bricks. He was using a muzzy but thats still an unbelievable shot. After he told us noone believed him so he showed us where he shot from and where the blood was and we got a range finder out and it was 307yds.

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its only unethical if those deer got away...But since both made unbelieveable shots and both deer died on the spot...i say that is ethical the deer didnt suffer...I wouldnt take that shot personally and i think that the two people who shot those deer should show some self control...dont get me wrong those shots are amazing... __________________ FIRE IT UP!!!!! Did you get em? Did you hear the gun go off!!!! Yea!!! Then get a ###### knife!!!

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Quote: now i know why bigstash and jakesbeard hate each other so much....but i do all bow gun and muzzy and i would THINK shotguns would leave you with more wounded deer I don't hate the ignorant I try to educate them, some like B.S. are harder than others. Many have the misconseption that archers mess up more deer than any others and right off the bat ASUME that almost all deer foud dead are due to arrows NOT TRUE but the PERSEPTION is there. Over my personal history starting in 1968 I would say I lost more deer with buck shot than anything else. Also since buckshot gives the shittyest blood trial I feel many deer are wounded and NEVER followed. Run and gun deer drives I would also think contribute to many lost deer but IMO nothing comes close to cars and I have never meta person who hit a deer with a car who followed up in the deer where it is COMMON to see a bowhunter invest hours even days in the search for a deer he has hit. As for Big Stash I still hold out hope for him(His hate for bowhunters is based upon ignorance and I want to help) but he won't even speak to me the few times a year I run in to him the last time he even said that he was not who I thought he was (Later 5 other people who were there said "Yeah thats him"). __________________ The biggest thing I have learned of late is that many legislators will side with us if we patently and intelegently explain to them where we are coming from and where we are going.

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AMC, are the arrowed deer your finding ROTTING in the woods from the bowhunters in your club? Are the deer shot during drives? Mabey it's your club not your average bowhunter

Posted: 22 Jan 2008 5:37 PM
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my biggest bow buck had and old buckshot wound in him

Posted: 22 Jan 2008 6:34 PM
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Quote: what did he aim for maine unethical?? that shot is a miracle __________________ Here you go the diagnoised hit he was aiming for right? Everyone has an idea of what happened correct? Woods scientists come out to play. Sad for the person who lost that deer. The important thing is I wonder what they learned from that deer? If they learned something all good and well but if not then they are no better off. Theres no miracle involved. Either that deer could have been pushed to hard or the deer tried to get the arrow out and the broadhead kept cutting and eventually caused him to bleed out? Maybe it was just an inexperianced hunter that needed that to happen in order to begin their education? Who knows just another lost and dead deer that someone found because they were there at the right time and place is all. No need to read what sign was left that is speculative.

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The only reason why I see someone giving up bow hunting could be because they wounded or missed to many animals. And that could be because they were unwilling to spend the time it takes to get proficent with only the bow as your weapon. If you can't get past the butcher shop then leave it alone and don't use a bow. Theres good shots and bad shots some times. Theres a lot variables at times. if you can maintain enough control to limit your shooting abilitys then your averages can inprove and that is if you reconize your own limitations. We don't know the circumstances of why this deer was lost so why speculate?