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CROSSBOWS are divisive....look whats happening to hunter unity

8 out of 10 posts on crossbows are negative..."how was it a scientific survey"

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Posted: 22 Jan 2008 6:50 PM
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AMC it was one guy who started and it was against bow hunters....he dug his own hole in this thread __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here" CROSSBOWS are divisive....look whats happening to hunter unity 8 out of 10 posts on crossbows are negative..."how was it a scientific survey"

Posted: 22 Jan 2008 6:51 PM
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As far as buckshot and running and gunning? I would venture to say the deer that had buckshot in them that were found or harvested might have been shot to far away? Again if you limit the mentality of there he is got to shot him and be more selective on your distances with your weapons, I beleive theres a lot more that could be recovered than from marginal shots at further distances. I hear guys talk a lot of things about buckshot that they can shoot long distances and not that I disagree with them but from my experiance of shooting close I have never lost one yet. Bow is an altogether differant story over the years and on the bad shots I knew the minute the arrow left that it was wasn't good.

Posted: 22 Jan 2008 8:23 PM Last Edited By: aftermath
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Quote: s only unethical if those deer got away...But since both made unbelieveable shots and both deer died on the spot...i say that is ethical the deer didnt suffer... Ok, what about the next shot he takes at 147, 127, or 107 with buckshot that the deer doesn't die? What if the one pellet didn't hit it in the head, but hit it in the guts and it runs off only to die later... still ethical? The guy I know wasn't ethical... he was lucky, plain and simple. __________________ Life Member NRA, NAHC, NAFC Member NJWF, NWTF, NRHRC, NJFSC Recording Sec. SORG

Posted: 23 Jan 2008 1:17 PM
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Ms. Grit, OK but Dad was a hunter and I can say I know a hunter or two who have followed up on car struck deer but my point was MOST drivers never do. Also back than the limits were far less than now so I think more folks were prone to picking em up off the road back than I know my dad did. __________________ The biggest thing I have learned of late is that many legislators will side with us if we patently and intelegently explain to them where we are coming from and where we are going.

Posted: 29 Jan 2008 11:58 AM
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hoyt you have a PM

Posted: 29 Jan 2008 1:44 PM
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Bow- Gun- Muzzy- it doesn't matter-the hunter is the ultimate one who pulls the trigger or looses the string-bad shots can, and are caused by all three weapons types-Its the hunter who must make the sound decision to wait for the most appropriate opportunity before trying to take an animal-thereby keeping bad shots to the utmost minimum. Do bad shots happen? ---Yes Can we control every factor that can create a bad shot?--No But the more we control-the less likely the outcome will be an unrecovered deer. __________________ Support the N.J.O.A. and the "Littel Amendment" An amendment to the New Jersey State Constitution that Guarantees the right to hunt, trap, and fish in New JerseyNew Jersey Outdoor Alliance

Posted: 29 Jan 2008 3:09 PM
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Correct MTH. But that only comes with experiance usally.

Posted: 29 Jan 2008 5:18 PM
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Quote: AMC, are the arrowed deer your finding ROTTING in the woods from the bow-hunters in your club? Are the deer shot during drives? Mabey it's your club not your average bowhunter Most of the guys in the club do not Bow Hunt the area's we drive as a club. They prefer the pieces that are either to small for us, or so thick we just can't get the deer out. That's not a rule or anything but it's fairly accurate. Of the pieces that are bow hunted by our members, than absolutely the some of the ones we find could have been shot by one of our members. However, the 5 (3 with arrows in the remains) I found this doe season in the Assumpink WERE NOT the result of any of my club members. __________________ OSC

Posted: 29 Jan 2008 5:48 PM
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AMC nailed it. I have personally killed three deer in the last 2 years with infections caused by arrows, recoverred the broad heads from the deer. I really think bow hunting with the extended season coupled with the dwindling area we can hunt with shot guns, (lets face it we can bow hunt much more area than gun hunt) has led to a boom in the number of bow hunters. Not all of them are as qualified as they should be. So if just a small percentage wound deer its alot of wounded rotting deer...one mans opinion. (just watch the young kids taking their bow test...scarry that they are out flinging arrows)

Posted: 29 Jan 2008 6:02 PM
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Quote: AMC it was one guy who started and it was against bow hunters....he dug his own hole in this thread I was responding to the posters who were putting down deer drives and making statement against them. As I stated, I'm not against bow hunting and was an avid one until 2002. And for the record, I didn't stop for fear of wounding them, I stopped because I transferred from a field office in Morris County to Newark and there Ain't no deer in Newark. I do not have time to hunt on the weekends due to fishing so something had to give. __________________ OSC

Posted: 30 Jan 2008 5:55 PM
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hey if anyone knows "hoyt1315" please let him know he has a PM thanks

Posted: 30 Jan 2008 7:02 PM
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Quote: Here we go with bad shots again!! That crap pisses me off, but I also dont know the circumstances, they do happen. What are you perfect ?

Posted: 01 Feb 2008 4:39 PM
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whats a PM?

Posted: 01 Feb 2008 5:33 PM
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Quote: Its the hunter who must make the sound decision to wait for the most appropriate opportunity before trying to take an animal-thereby keeping bad shots to the utmost minimum A+ for an intelligent, reasonable response. __________________ The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything. Theodore Roosevelt Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. Sir Winston Churchill

Posted: 01 Feb 2008 6:13 PM
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When hunting there is always going to be a small percentage which are hit and lost. No one who hunts goes out and wants to cripple an animal. You just do everything you can to prevent a lost animal.The worst feeling is loosing a deer or what every you may be hunting.

Posted: 01 Feb 2008 6:36 PM
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AMC,If you averaged "days hunted" to "wounded deer" who do you think would wound more deer? There are way more bowhunting days so mabey thats why you see more deer with broadheads. Are the arrows and broadheads you find the same? Mabey you just have a really bad hunter near your property. The thread was started as a direct assault on bowhunters, every hunter makes a bad shot in their lifetime. A bad shot should just prompt you to practice your shot and self control....It did for me!

Posted: 01 Feb 2008 7:45 PM
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Quote: (just watch the young kids taking their bow test...scarry that they are out flinging arrows) That's the cream of the crop, you should see some of the adults on the watergap property Quote: What are you perfect ? Haven't you read his posts? Of course he is __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.

Posted: 01 Feb 2008 7:55 PM
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Quote: (just watch the young kids taking their bow test...scarry that they are out flinging arrows) We were all kids once

Posted: 01 Feb 2008 8:13 PM
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hoyt...Personal Message. top of the page click "pm"

Posted: 01 Feb 2008 9:22 PM Last Edited By: AMC
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Quote: AMC,If you averaged "days hunted" to "wounded deer" who do you think would wound more deer? There are way more bowhunting days so mabey thats why you see more deer with broadheads. That's a tough question to answer because to be fair you'd have to include all gun hunters not just clubs. Plus not all gun hunters or clubs are ethical either. So to for the sake of argument lets take all non-ethical hunters out of the equation. On a level playing field I think bowhunters definitely wound more. Here's my reasoning and I'm speaking only about shotguns, Guns have more knock power than bows and inflict a lot more damage. This allows a gun hunter who made a so so shot a second and third shot to finish the job. An option not available to the bow hunter. Guns are a lot more forgiving than bows. Take a shot at a deer that unseen branch plays no part. Buckshot tears right through it. Hit that same branch with an arrow and you have a gut shot deer that will run off and might live for days. Lastly, the anatomy of the animal. Hit the shoulder blade with an arrow and it doesn't go through into the vitals the deer ends up with gangrene. (this is the most common wound we find) Ribs can deflect the arrows off the mark also. None of this matters to buckshot. It shatters shoulders and ribs. To answer your second question my club hunts vast areas of state land. It is definitly more than one bad hunter. __________________ OSC

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Posted: 04 Feb 2008 8:00 PM
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bayhunter sent me a PM iam new to this whole site how do i compose mail.

Posted: 04 Feb 2008 8:15 PM
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Look in this thread for his name and then look to the right of the screen it will say send bayhunter a pm!!

Posted: 04 Feb 2008 8:16 PM
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there are ethical and non-ethical hunters in every group of hunters that use every kind of weapon... __________________ FIRE IT UP!!!!! Did you get em? Did you hear the gun go off!!!! Yea!!! Then get a ###### knife!!!

Posted: 04 Feb 2008 8:16 PM Last Edited By: camo man
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