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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 12:56 PM | ||
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| would the concern be there if they were trespassing say 20 miles away...probably not | ||
| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 1:03 PM | ||
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would the concern be there if they were trespassing say 20 miles away...probably not He wouldn't know about it but that doesn't make it right. We have the same problem in my town. They are wrong, and they should be straightened out. It happens all over. Two years ago I had a state trooper in a tree on a private piece that I had gone out of my way to get WRITTEN PERMISSION. His excuse was that he had been hunting it for twenty years. It doesn't make it right. Later on he went to the owner to try and get permission and was denied. __________________ I’m a Republican because everyone can’t be on welfare.
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 1:10 PM | ||
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Document violations of property lines. Document reports to law enforcement. Write it all up for the State AG and follow that up with daily phone calls. You will get action. The actions of a few arogent law enforcement personnel bring down the law abiding majority. __________________  Helping deer go up the food chain since 1979. 
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 1:11 PM | ||
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i know they hunt near me with there pistols at night on the golf courses..and hunt in the water property 1940....we should talk someday. We know alot of the same people. __________________ Helping deer go up the food chain since 1979.
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 1:14 PM | ||
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its not your piece..DONT WORRY ABOUT IT! god forbid someone else kills a deer near your property. now not only do you not want people hunting your land, you want to be selfish and not let anyone hunt your neighboring land? the land OWNERS lawers contacted my land owners lawers about this group of trespassers. this isn't a cop bashing post. it's a trespasser thinking because of they're line of work they are not breaking the law. Quote:
would the concern be there if they were trespassing say 20 miles away...probably not doesn't matter the location, the mentality is the same. if it's not my location would i care, no. but they are screwing someone else. the location shouldn't matter. they inforce these laws, they should practice what they preach. seems i hit a sore spot. i understand sticking up for your "brothers" but a few people on here know the reputation of this group, it's not just me saying stay away from my deer. it's a few local towns that have to deal with this group year after year. __________________ united bowhunters of nj
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 1:34 PM | ||
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what zone is this...i think i know what gang you are talking about |
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 1:35 PM | ||
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| they are not my "brothers" by a long shot, i have no respect for blatent law breakers if that is the case. my beef is with people who feel no one is entitled to an opportunity to hunt good land or harvest a nice buck but themselves because it may affect them. if a person had permission to hunt that property adjacent, then the other complaints about feeders being to close, or stands too close, or driving the land would surface | ||
| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 1:37 PM | ||
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if a person had permission to hunt that property adjacent, then the other complaints about feeders being to close, or stands too close, or driving the land would surface Your assuming things now. This conversation is about one thing....People hunting land that they dont have permission to hunt....nothing more...nothing less. With that said....Do you advocate that sort of behavior? __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 1:38 PM | ||
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nnjlawman, The issue is not with hunter who have PERMISSION to hunt, the issues lies with the people who dont have permission and blatantly break the law and do whatever they feel like doing like trespassing.. next door, 20 miles away, or 1000 miles away its still wrong.. __________________ "Fat, Drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son."
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 1:43 PM | ||
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what zone is this...i think i know what gang you are talking about this happens in 25 and 35 __________________ united bowhunters of nj
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 4:01 PM | ||
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they inforce these laws, they should practice what they preach. seems i hit a sore spot. They should practice what they preach and be punished WORSE when caught! They are sworn to UPHOLD THE LAW And you've only hit a sore spot w/ guys that would condone this behavior!
I also believe EVERY tresspasser should be prosecuted, no matter who they are!! This isnt a cop bashing thread. But given their job they should be punished worse. It might just keep them on a better path. And keep all officers reputations in the good
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 5:14 PM | ||
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| no, i dont condone trespassing or breaking the law, after reading the original post,one would form an opinion this hunter is more concerned with what is going on on someones elses property that he feels is going to affect him, regardless of law being broken it seemed more of a selfish post than anything else | ||
| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 5:43 PM Last Edited By: MS22 | ||
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one would form an opinion this hunter is more concerned with what is going on on someones elses property that he feels is going to affect him It very well could affect him and the rest of the hunters here. it is slobs like this that cast a black eye on hunting closing a lot of doors to prime property and lead to further regulation of our sport. Quote:
regardless of law being broken it seemed more of a selfish post than anything else as an njlawman I would assume that you would be more concerned with a law being broken than someone elses intentions.  Does law enforcement not encourage help from everyday citizens in reporting crimes? I guess this only counts when law enforcement officers arent involved in those crimes. Regardless of the motives of the poster, a law was being broken and that is the only thing you should be concerned with. After reading your posts, I would have to question your ability to uphold the law as it seems you are condemning people for not turning a blind eye to a blatant disregard for the law.__________________ NJOA
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 5:58 PM Last Edited By: Mr Hyde | ||
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if you have reservations on going to the local police department to make a complaint about one of it's officers, you should contact the county prosecutors office and make your complaint with them. this comes right out of the NJ Attorney General's Guidelines for law enforcement. The main person I/we are talking about here used to be the chief, so local absolutely is out of the question for JP. |
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 6:00 PM | ||
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would the concern be there if they were trespassing say 20 miles away...probably not You need to go back and read the entire thread, I think you missed the point. Or could be in with these guys??????? |
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 6:08 PM | ||
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| i got the point, and stated i did NOT agree with trespassing, my point was with statments in the post thats all that led me to feel this post was for lack of better terms "crybaby"no they shouldnt be there yes they were wrong, but i got the feeling this hunter feels he deserves a santuary next to him, most people struggle for ground to hunt in this state and he wants it all to himself | ||
| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 6:15 PM | ||
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| my friend had a chief of police removed from his porety by f&g after he refused to leav his stand. Was takena nd ticket issued | ||
| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 6:23 PM | ||
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Different rules for different people. If someone gets seriously hurt on the property by an unauthorized trespasser ,who is liable when a lawsuit is filed ? The trespasser? The property owner ? People who think they are above the law should be removed ! Nothing but an abuse of power and a bully-like mentality. Take, take ,take and no one can stop me ! __________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 6:29 PM | ||
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i got the point, and stated i did NOT agree with trespassing, my point was with statments in the post thats all that led me to feel this post was for lack of better terms "crybaby"no they shouldnt be there yes they were wrong, but i got the feeling this hunter feels he deserves a santuary next to him, most people struggle for ground to hunt in this state and he wants it all to himself I understand how you feel but I have to be honest with you. Having that handle, you sounded just like a guy with a badge that thinks he can go where ever he feels. Some people have a good spot like JP has and he doesn't want a bunch of local yahoos to mess it up for him. "crybaby" in no way in my eyes. If he's lucky enough to have a sanctuary next to him than even better, because it will no longer be for anyone the way these guys run through a piece. |
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 6:35 PM | ||
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i got the point, and stated i did NOT agree with trespassing, my point was with statments in the post thats all that led me to feel this post was for lack of better terms "crybaby"no they shouldnt be there yes they were wrong, but i got the feeling this hunter feels he deserves a santuary next to him, most people struggle for ground to hunt in this state and he wants it all to himself once again i point out that the LAND OWNER requested no one on the property, purchased posted signs that they signed, we put them up. i was called by my land owners to place a call for the neighboring land owners who do not reside on the property. this was done as requested by the owners of the POSTED land. you must know the cop, and somehow see his side.  BROTHERS__________________ united bowhunters of nj
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 6:49 PM | ||
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The main person I/we are talking about here used to be the chief, from what i understand, acting chief. the old chief got in trouble had to leave. in steps "acting", until a new chief could be found. because of a shady past, he "acting" could not become chief. this is what i was told. not cop bashing. my best man in my wedding is a cop, another long time friend and fellow hunter also a cop. not a cop hater, just call it like i see it. __________________ united bowhunters of nj
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 6:57 PM | ||
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Quote: yet they will treat you like a criminal if you pose the slightest threat for instance, going for a walk on their "turf" with a camo hat i know they hunt near me with there pistols at night on the golf courses..and hunt in the water property
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 6:59 PM | ||
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An a$$hole is an a$$hole an wearing a badge doesnt give someone immunity from acting like one. If they were born that way then they will grow up as one reguardless of profession in life ! __________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 7:30 PM | ||
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ub1234, I feel your pain. Hope you stopped them at least. For the rest of you wondering if he is out of line or legitimately complaining, he is right on the money, happens every year with the same group. Not in as many places as they used to but still in some spots.
The only thing I wonder is if they knew the property changed hands. Even though they stray sometimes, that groups does have legitimate permission on alot of places in Monroeville and this may be one they could previously hunt, not knowing it changed hands. I don't know, but this incident could be a simple mistake. __________________ Those who value unity among hunters, do not advance agendas that divide hunters. Logically, those who pursue divisive changes or agendas, despite the resulting division, care more for advancing their agenda than they do for unity among hunters.
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 8:05 PM | ||
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| Hunting clubs think they have a right to everything!!!! | ||
| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 8:08 PM | ||
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The only thing I wonder is if they knew the property changed hands. Even though they stray sometimes, that groups does have legitimate permission on alot of places in Monroeville and this may be one they could previously hunt, not knowing it changed hands. I don't know, but this incident could be a simple mistake fish and game is suposed to let them know. there was a new posted sign right in the parking area and on every street pole and on the trees every 50 yards. the parking lot sign was torn down a month ago. i'll get a call if they show again. wait and see. __________________ united bowhunters of nj
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 8:12 PM | ||
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there was a new posted sign right in the parking area Is this the place across the street from your lease, to the west? __________________ Those who value unity among hunters, do not advance agendas that divide hunters. Logically, those who pursue divisive changes or agendas, despite the resulting division, care more for advancing their agenda than they do for unity among hunters.
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 8:15 PM | ||
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| Sounds like a group from Williamstown I knew, had problems with these guys 15 yrs ago. "Yes we can hunt anywhere we want attitude". I hunted with them one year, let them hunt some private property I had. They thought it gave them permission to come back every year. Even after I informed them, they where no longer wanted by the landowner or myself. Yes got the cops and F&G 2 yrs in a row until they got the point. Lost friends over it. And yes they had some officers in their club. | ||
| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 8:48 PM | ||
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to the west. across the street was supossed to be developed. they ran the storm drains then everything stopped. which is fine, but last year they didn't work until mid fall bow. i saw many deer come across that i never saw before peirson was in there. it was great. hope it never get done. guys are dumping trash in there all the time. it's ashame what became of that place. there is a big 10pt in there still. __________________ united bowhunters of nj
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| Posted: 04 Dec 2007 8:54 PM | ||
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to the west. across the street was supossed to be developed. they ran the storm drains then everything stopped I know the place, they have hunted there for many years. About a week ago, I saw a blue Ford F350 dually with a trailer parked in the cut corn down past the bank towards Clayton one morning, I think one of those two ML days...was that you? __________________ Those who value unity among hunters, do not advance agendas that divide hunters. Logically, those who pursue divisive changes or agendas, despite the resulting division, care more for advancing their agenda than they do for unity among hunters.
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