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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 8:23 AM | ||
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I replied to another post, but feel that the importance can't be understated- so here is a new post. Guys- Those of you who bait with corn be aware of the fact that after it lays on the ground and then gets hit with a frost a bacteria develops on it that makes the animals that eat it sick. If they get sick enough, they may die. If you're going to bait- use deer feed, horse feed anything except corn. __________________ When Guns Are Outlawed- Only Outlaws Will Have Guns
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 9:15 AM | ||
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Corn won't go bad if left in the bag will it?
I have probably six 50# bags. I never feed corn in the winter. Don't want this to go bad though. If I can keep the mice out of it, it should be alright.. I hope. __________________ What if the Hokey Pokey is really what it's all about??
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 10:35 AM | ||
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Kepp it dry and your corn will be fine.
As far as baiting, he is 100% correct, the bacteria REEK HAVOC on the deer's digestive system. I don't bait but I doo feed deer in my yard. I make sure to put it down on plywood and I only put out as much as they will eat in a 15 minute span. that way there is no residual corn laying around to make them sick. __________________ "Well, if it isn't Mister Chain Blue Lightning himself"
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 10:44 AM | ||
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Conan,
Please post a link showing from a good sorse how this works and how it has been proven to be a fact. Thanks in advance for your effort. __________________ The biggest thing I have learned of late is that many legislators will side with us if we patently and intelegently explain to them where we are coming from and where we are going.
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 10:47 AM | ||
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Baiters don't give a shit after deer season is over,just take a walk around any public land and you'll see for yourself. __________________ "I do not know of a greater good that an individual can render humankind
than to break the chains of political superstition." -- Tom Paine IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !!! |
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 10:48 AM | ||
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Please post a link showing from a good sorse how this works and how it has been proven to be a fact. Do you not believe him? __________________ "I do not know of a greater good that an individual can render humankind
than to break the chains of political superstition." -- Tom Paine IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !!! |
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 10:49 AM | ||
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Oh yeah and this question.
When deer feed off of a picked corn feild right thru till spring on the corn laying out there all winter are they getting "sick" from all of that? What bacteria is that again that grows when it is frozen? Most that I know of need warmth to begin growing. __________________ The biggest thing I have learned of late is that many legislators will side with us if we patently and intelegently explain to them where we are coming from and where we are going.
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 10:50 AM | ||
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Baiters don't give a shit after deer season is over,just take a walk around any public land and you'll see for yourself. Not all are like that so what you just stated is wrong..... come winter time I only put out 3Lbs just when I hunt. __________________ Quote: Hunting is My Heart & Soul, Without it. I'm just a empty shell. |
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 10:53 AM | ||
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JB, That's the Freezer bacteria AKA freezer burn..... __________________ Quote: Hunting is My Heart & Soul, Without it. I'm just a empty shell. |
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 10:55 AM | ||
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Not all are like that so what you just stated is wrong..... come winter time I only put out 3Lbs just when I hunt. This last spring at Musky hunting lands I found 2 black moldy old piles. __________________ "I do not know of a greater good that an individual can render humankind
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 10:58 AM | ||
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Alfatoxins in corn
Check out that fact sheet. I work in the livestock industry in the state and have seen occurrences of alfatoxins in NJ. As far as storing corn goes, it is important that the moisture level is at a low level...preferably 15%. |
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 11:07 AM | ||
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I mean NOT ALL BAITERS are like that __________________ Quote: Hunting is My Heart & Soul, Without it. I'm just a empty shell. |
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 12:28 PM | ||
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Big trukey loss from bad corn. You can kill deer by permit until your A$$ falls off why bait?
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 12:32 PM | ||
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Quote: During hot, humid conditions microscopic spores are produced on corn residue and in survival bodies at the soil surface. __________________ CrossBOW inclusion is NO different than the exact same struggle to get compound BOWS added to legal BOWS. --Fact
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 1:14 PM Last Edited By: conan | ||
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JB- I can't remember where I read it, but it was a few years back. I don't bait, but several of my friends do. Once I read the article I told them. They use "the pelletts" after the first or second frost". I'll try to find it, but if I can't produce it: Let your conscience be your guide. I know that my friends and I won't use corn after the cold weather sets in. __________________ When Guns Are Outlawed- Only Outlaws Will Have Guns
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 1:36 PM | ||
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| I beleieve its not so much about bacteria. But more towards the fact that they get very little nutrition from corn. Corn will keep them warm and full but notin tip top shape. | ||
| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 1:58 PM | ||
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Alfatoxins exist in hot humid conditions NOT when it's cold, frost/freeze have nothing to do with them... __________________ CrossBOW inclusion is NO different than the exact same struggle to get compound BOWS added to legal BOWS. --Fact
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 4:26 PM | ||
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OK I think we are getting 2 topics confused here. The bacterial issue is actually a digestive issue with the type and number of bacteria in a deer's rumen. As the bacterial composition changes in winter it becomes more difficult for a deer that hasn't been digesting corn to digest it. Therefore if you have been feeding deer corn all fall there is no significant change needed in their stomach but for a deer that has been primarily on browse then they fill up on corn in winter they can have a digestive problem.
The baiting issue with toxicity is actually because wet corn can be infected by aspergillius fungus that creates a toxin that can cause some problems for deer. Baiting with sweet feed or other oats/grains can actually be worse than corn as they tend to hold moisture easier than corn and are therefore more prone to fungus growth. Baiting in winter when humidity is lower is actually less likely to casue aspergillius fungus than baiting during the early seasons. |
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 6:31 PM | ||
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| The corn is never there long enough to be infected!!! | ||
| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 6:37 PM | ||
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You read this in the NJ hunting guide maybe in 2006?
I had plenty of deer eat moldy routten corn and I never seen one get sick. What about Loui Passtura he invented penicilin? From mold correct so I always thought if they eat the mold its like they are getting penicilin in there systems. Mother nature takes care of them so I don't beleive a word the state said in that artical?
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 7:01 PM | ||
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OK I think we are getting 2 topics confused here. I think so too! Great job in clearing that up!  __________________ CrossBOW inclusion is NO different than the exact same struggle to get compound BOWS added to legal BOWS. --Fact
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 8:59 PM | ||
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Corn that is dumped in piles grows mold and can cause problems but not corn that is spread.
Like JB said, they eat corn in farm country all winter long. |
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 9:13 PM | ||
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deer are like cattle, they have 4 parts in their stomachs this way they can brake down everything they eat. They corn I put down is 3 Lbs & gone the next Day.... Bait just enuff to keep them around. __________________ Quote: Hunting is My Heart & Soul, Without it. I'm just a empty shell. |
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 9:30 PM | ||
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OK I think we are getting 2 topics confused here. The bacterial issue is actually a digestive issue with the type and number of bacteria in a deer's rumen. As the bacterial composition changes in winter it becomes more difficult for a deer that hasn't been digesting corn to digest it. Therefore if you have been feeding deer corn all fall there is no significant change needed in their stomach but for a deer that has been primarily on browse then they fill up on corn in winter they can have a digestive problem. The baiting issue with toxicity is actually because wet corn can be infected by aspergillius fungus that creates a toxin that can cause some problems for deer. Baiting with sweet feed or other oats/grains can actually be worse than corn as they tend to hold moisture easier than corn and are therefore more prone to fungus growth. Baiting in winter when humidity is lower is actually less likely to casue aspergillius fungus than baiting during the early seasons. Exactly. __________________ "Well, if it isn't Mister Chain Blue Lightning himself"
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 9:30 PM | ||
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That is why my deer's eat only Cuban sandwiches made by Red65.
JB you always beat me to the punch. __________________ "Dont complain about your problems. There is always someone worst off then you."
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 9:32 PM | ||
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Corn can develop bacteria. However, in cold weather the corn will help keep them warm. That is why we add corn to our horse feed.
Corn does contain 5-7% protein as well. Thats low considering that soybeans contain 45% crude protein. __________________ When a gun-hunter sees the animal he wants- the hunts over. When a bow-hunter sees the animal he wants, the hunt is just begining !
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 9:37 PM | ||
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Corn does contain 5-7% protein as well. Thats low considering that soybeans contain 45% crude protein. In winter carbs are more important than protein, in spring and summer protein is more important. |
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 10:07 PM | ||
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Quote: You got that right....That is why my deer's eat only Cuban sandwiches made by Red65.  __________________ There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and Statistics.
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| Posted: 01 Dec 2007 11:32 PM | ||
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Tanta marieconeria cojone in cuba the deer and chicken eat rocks and dirt and survive i laugh(at myself too) becuase before baiting deer ate grass ,acorns,and orther wild feed ...and now we provide them with buffets Corn ,apples , deer feed mineral block,pumpkin ,sweet patatoes , and half the time they eat during the night
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That is why my deer's eat only Cuban sandwiches made by Red65. actually while your senior citizen ass is asleep in the tree i take em a wizzzzz all over your spot thats why you dont see anything jk |
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| Posted: 02 Dec 2007 12:02 AM | ||
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| what about all the corn that the combines leave behind. | ||
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