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| Posted: 26 Nov 2007 4:42 PM | ||
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I like buff's idea also. Make them check in the animals or work in a deer butcher shop!! __________________ "Without either the first or second amendment, we would have no liberty; the first allows us to find out what's happening, the second allows us to do something about it! The second will be taken away first, followed by the first and then the rest of our freedoms."
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| Posted: 26 Nov 2007 5:02 PM Last Edited By: apmaurosr | ||
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To the fullest extent of the law!
FYI - this is more than vandalizing - it is committed with the intent to intimidate. The criminals should be prosecuted for bias crimes. They specifically targeted a hunter(s) while they engaged in a legal activity. This crime is no different than a person painting a swatztika, or leaving a noose, on the vehicle. Such acts target a person based on race or religion. The acts at Turkey Swamp were committed with the intent to intimidate a "hunter" and it should be prosecuted as a bias crime. Ant |
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| Posted: 26 Nov 2007 6:14 PM | ||
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ITS ABOUT TIME ONE OF THOSE WACKJOBS WAS CAUGHT GIVE UM THE BOOK THE RULER AND THE CHAIR FOR ALL I CARE __________________ hoyt katera xl z3 cam 1/2
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| Posted: 26 Nov 2007 8:35 PM | ||
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Sounds like a terrorist attack to me. Paint thinner can be flamable and or combustible. Maybe he was trying to inject it into the car.
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| Posted: 26 Nov 2007 9:03 PM | ||
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I only hope it was Big John that caught him. That boy will have nightmares for the rest of his life __________________ Capitalist - Pro Staffer
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| Posted: 26 Nov 2007 9:52 PM | ||
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This is the act of a pussy, if you have a problem with me hunting then have some balls and tell me to my face. The act of messing with another persons property to prove a point is the act of a coward. These acts should be punished.. Someone should make them stand up to the property owner like a man. If this were one of us doing some ridiculous cowardly act to one of them we would be crucified for it!
Sorry for the rant, I am sick of this bullshit... __________________ "from my cold dead hands"
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| Posted: 26 Nov 2007 10:53 PM | ||
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I wish it was me that caught him. He would have nightmares for years. This guy has been victimizing hunters in the park for years. He came into the woods and gave a frind of mine crap last year. 2 days later his stand went missing and judging by the fact straps were cut and and the cable to attach the top climber part to the tree was left behind. Leads me to think it was done by someone who did not care about using the stand again.
What troubles me most about al of this is that #1 Freehold twp pd is being very complacent about the whole thing. In fact the night the assault happened they said they could not arrest the guy because they did not witness the assault. I checked with the officers I work with and this is not true. They could have arrested him on behalf of the victim and charged him on the spot on behalf of the victim. Instead the victims had to go and file the charges on their own and were met with a court clerk who did not want to file. In fact she tried to talk them out of it saying did you talk to a lawyer about this and the guy could file charges against you. For what!!! To me it seems as though because this was a crime against hunters it is being taken lightly. Nothing of this has shown up in the papers or even the weekly police blotter in the papers. If this an attempt to sweep the severity of this act under the rug because it involves hunters. The UBNJ will go to the press and TV and not let this be dealt with lightly. We do not care if it embarrases the Freehold Twp pd. The UBNJ protects all bowhunters and the victims were a member and council member. We will keep everyone posted as facts develop. __________________ PSE X Force Baby!
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| Posted: 26 Nov 2007 10:57 PM | ||
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I wish it was me that caught him. He would have nightmares for years YES... and the rest of what you said was right on also!  __________________ "from my cold dead hands"
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| Posted: 26 Nov 2007 11:07 PM | ||
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John,
Press the issue and don't let it die...I'm sure the UBNJ will expose the garbage when the time is right...please keep us informed. Nail Em' to a cross. Ray __________________ Cranford Rod and Gun Club United Bowhunters of New Jersey New Jersey Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs |
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| Posted: 27 Nov 2007 5:46 AM Last Edited By: apmaurosr | ||
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... To me it seems as though because this was a crime against hunters it is being taken lightly... ...The UBNJ will go to the press and TV and not let this be dealt with lightly... ...The UBNJ protects all bowhunters and the victims were a member and council member. We will keep everyone posted as facts develop. John IMO the UBNJ and the victims are taking the right approach. Press the issue to the fullest extent of the law and make it an example that similar acts will meet with swift responses. This approach is the only way that vandals will get the message that their actions are illegal and have serious consequences. It is also an effective way to let the criminals and pd know that hunters don't view themselves as second-class citizens. We have a lot of work to do to show people that hunting is a respectable and necessary activity. This incident is a good place to start. It also comes fairly close to the Metler incident where she received jail time for disrupting a hunt and also comes on the heels of hunters/anglers exerting their influence in the District 12 elections - so the more public you make the case the more opportunity we have to bring awareness to the illegal actions of th antis. Good luck. Let me know if the NJOA can be of any assistance. Ant |
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| Posted: 27 Nov 2007 8:05 AM | ||
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njbowman,
everything in that post was spot on, keep the pressure up and dont let this situation fade. ant, very interesting angle with the bias crime!!! those ideals should be pushed with this case, making a definite precedent!!!!!! __________________ robsrodnreel.com will be down for a few months. if you need any rod or reel work done contact me at robsrodnreel@hotmail.com.
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| Posted: 27 Nov 2007 8:12 AM Last Edited By: oneshotkill | ||
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Quote: This is the act of a pussy, if you have a problem with me hunting then have some balls and tell me to my face. The act of messing with another persons property to prove a point is the act of a coward. These acts should be punished.. Someone should make them stand up to the property owner like a man. If this were one of us doing some ridiculous cowardly act to one of them we would be crucified for it! Sorry for the rant, I am sick of this bullshit...
This is thier MO , cowardly attacks when no one is around!!! They are all a bunch of pu$$ies, every last one of them!!! I said it before, if they have a problem with hunting , then grow some balls and go to a redneck bar on a friday night and tell all the people there that hunting is wrong and that they have a problem with it.  __________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER
UBNJ MEMBER MEMBER-VCDL Multiple concealed carry permit holder. In times of severe crisis and distress the armed citizen will always prevail !!! |
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| Posted: 27 Nov 2007 10:07 AM Last Edited By: apmaurosr | ||
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very interesting angle with the bias crime!!! those ideals should be pushed with this case, making a definite precedent!!!!!! I do not know the legalities of such an approach but I would definately pursue this angle with my attorney if I were the victim. It would certainly demonstrate that hunters are serious and that they are not going to take being "harassed" any longer. Should the bias angle not be viable I would press for every charge allowed by law - and no bargaining away charges. Also, any future incident should be reported to police, regardless if the vandal is found. Reporting all incidents and pressing charges where possible finally puts hunters on the offensive in dealing with this "targeted" illegal behavior. We have let this behavior go on for too long. Below is a post I put under a thread today. I have tried to bring to the forefront the "terrorist" associations od ARAs here in NJ over the years. We all need to begin to reveal these associations and illegal activities to the public. Ant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Animl Liberation Front (ALF) is considered a domestic terrorist organization by the FBI. Angie Metler of NJARA and Animal Protection PAC (New Jersey non-profit entities) is a spokesperson for ALF's press office. http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_america_updates/movements/e ... Animal Liberation Press Office Opens in California Posted: December 10, 2004 The new North American Animal Liberation Press Office was launched at a press conference held in Van Nuys, California, on December 3, 2004. During the press conference, Steven Best and Jerry Vlasak, two of the four press officers, indicated that the office would be available around the clock to provide information and statements from the animal liberation movement to the press. The office is based in Canoga Park, California. An announcement issued by the press office on December 7 explains why these spokespeople believe the office is necessary. "In dozens of news articles detailing numerous underground actions in the past few weeks, comment has been unavailable to counter the interests of the animal abusers, who have spoken largely unopposed." The press office describes itself as a "growing group of tested, well-spoken above ground activists who will provide the media with information regarding actions by the underground, along with explanations of their ideology and philosophy." The press office is not limited to speaking on behalf of the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), the nation's most active extreme animal rights movement. The press officers are associated with other animal rights groups, both mainstream and more militant, like Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty (SHAC) and the Animal Defense League. Background: Press Officers Steve Best Steve Best regularly speaks at animal rights conferences; at a Fresno State University conference in February 2003 on "Revolutionary Environmentalism: A Dialogue Between Activists and Academics," Best said, "Throughout history, property destruction and civil protest has been part of our heritage. If you have a problem with that, you have a problem with the Boston Tea Party." Best writes many articles in defense of militant animal rights activism. In his article, "Thinking Pluralistically: A Case for Direct Action," Best said that "a new civil war is unfolding – one between forces hell-bent on exploiting animals and the earth for profit whatever the toll, and activists steeled to resist this omnicide tooth and nail." A philosophy professor at the University of Texas at El Paso, Best hosts the radio show Animal Concerns of Texas, and is the co-editor of the recently published book: "Terrorists or Freedom Fighters? Reflections on the Liberation of Animals." Angie Metler Angie Metler is a member of the New Jersey Animal Rights Association and the Bear Education And Resource Group. In August 2004, she was arrested in Vernon, New Jersey, for locking herself inside a bear trap. "I did the only thing I could do. I followed my conscience," said Metler. Jerry Vlasak Jerry Vlasak is a member of the Animal Defense League, a radical animal rights group that carries out various direct actions, including home demonstrations. In July 2004, the forty-six-year-old heart surgeon from Los Angeles was banned from entering Britain to attend a conference held by SHAC-UK and SPEAK, an anti-vivisection group, for remarks he made to an audience at an animal rights conference in Los Angles in 2003. Vlasak told the earlier gathering that the assassination of scientists working in biomedical research would save millions of animals' lives and that "I think violence is part of the struggle against oppression. If something bad happens to these people [animal researchers], it will discourage others. It is inevitable that violence will be used in the struggle and that it will be effective." Vlasak also said, "I don't think you'd have to kill too many. I think for five lives, 10 lives, 15 human lives, we could save a million, 2 million, 10 million non-human lives." (Although he was not allowed to attend the British conference, Vlasak addressed the gathering via video link.) Vlasak has been arrested in connection with animal rights demonstrations on several occasions during the past few years. In one instance, Vlasak was arrested in March 2001 during a protest at a Las Vegas conference held by Huntingdon Life Sciences creditor Stephens Inc. Vlasak filed a federal lawsuit claiming that Las Vegas police and security guards violated he and his wife's civil rights by assaulting, arresting and illegally searching them. Camille Hankins Camille Hankins, a veteran animal rights activist who lives in New York, has organized protests outside of Huntingdon Life Sciences' Chairman Andrew Baker's New York apartment. She has been arrested twice for violating injunctions limiting the demonstrations. Hankins reportedly discovered the SHAC campaign at an animal rights conference about four years ago. "Here I saw a group of people who had focused in on one target," she said. "It was the moment that I knew that this was the way to do it, this was the way to effectively accomplish our goals." |
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| Posted: 27 Nov 2007 12:10 PM | ||
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| Something is definitely stinking here. Many of Freehold Township police are hunters, some are members of the two different rod and gun clubs in the township. These police know the good guys and the bad guys for sure. I cannot see how this could be kept quiet. | ||
| Posted: 27 Nov 2007 12:52 PM | ||
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Quote: Jerry Vlasak Quote:
the forty-six-year-old heart surgeon from Los Angeles Quote:
"I think violence is part of the struggle against oppression. If something bad happens to these people [animal researchers], it will discourage others. It is inevitable that violence will be used in the struggle and that it will be effective." Quote:
Vlasak also said, "I don't think you'd have to kill too many. I think for five lives, 10 lives, 15 human lives, we could save a million, 2 million, 10 million non-human lives." Hmmm...remind me not to call him if I ever have a coronary. That is scary!! A heart surgeon with these veiws!!! Imagine if some one who didn't know his history showed up for a procedure wearing a shirt or cap with Realtree, Mossy Oak, etc. on it!!!!!!!???????????? Oh my god!!!!! |
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| Posted: 27 Nov 2007 3:38 PM | ||
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Quote: Would you expect anything less from California to keep him employed Jerry Vlasak Quote: the forty-six-year-old heart surgeon from Los Angeles  .
I think the FBI has a dosier on him after those comments, um ,I mean terroristic threats. I bet he's real popular with all the " beautiful people" in L.A.. __________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER
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| Posted: 29 Nov 2007 10:28 AM | ||
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Something is definitely stinking here. Many of Freehold Township police are hunters, some are members of the two different rod and gun clubs in the township. These police know the good guys and the bad guys for sure. I cannot see how this could be kept quiet. its probably just a level of complacency. outdoorsman have been dealing with kinda of stuff for many years and have probably come to expect it in some areas. those who are affected by these kind of actions really need to start pushing for full punishment of these criminals. __________________ robsrodnreel.com will be down for a few months. if you need any rod or reel work done contact me at robsrodnreel@hotmail.com.
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| Posted: 29 Nov 2007 11:28 AM | ||
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If anyone ever vandalizes my vehicle while I'm hunting I'm going to assume, as a reasonable person, that this person is attempting to terrorize me.
A lawsuit would certainly follow, against them and their organization, if any. __________________ Please don't shoot my avatar.
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| Posted: 29 Nov 2007 1:15 PM | ||
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What the heck is wrong with people? It's now ok to break the law? I bet they ran away fast in their leather sneakers, and wool sweater..friggin hypocrites! They think the meat they eat died of natural causes after living a rich and full life.. If they only knew how much more humane hunting and butchering your own food is as opposed to slaughter plants.. 
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| Posted: 10 Dec 2007 11:08 AM | ||
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Any updates on this thread?
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| Posted: 10 Dec 2007 12:09 PM | ||
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Ant none so far. Is a legal matter right now. Charges have been filed against the perp. __________________ "Dont complain about your problems. There is always someone worst off then you."
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| Posted: 10 Dec 2007 12:38 PM | ||
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Any updates on this thread? I was wondering the same thing but I'm sure as soon as there is news, someone will post it up. But I have a question to any lawyers on the board. Would it influence a judge or prosecutor either way if a group of hunters were to write letters asking for the book to be thrown at the guy. I personally would want to see him be tried as a domestic terrorist... but I'm just hoping to send a message to anyone else that may try the same BS. __________________ Life Member NRA, NAHC, NAFC
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| Posted: 10 Dec 2007 4:00 PM | ||
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The guy will apperar in court for his plea tomorrow. If he pleads not guilty then it will go to trial. Will keep you posted on how things procede. __________________ PSE X Force Baby!
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| Posted: 10 Dec 2007 4:19 PM | ||
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| Isn't the fact that there is someone charged with the crime a PUBLIC MATTER therefor it should be in the paper. Who found the name of the perp and can link to it or copy and paste it here? The public must know who the person(s) is/are! | ||
| Posted: 13 Feb 2008 11:09 PM | ||
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he will get whats comin!!!
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| Posted: 14 Feb 2008 12:05 AM | ||
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its probably better for everyone the law caught him red handed and not the hunters __________________ Don't cry over spilled milk....It could have been BEER!
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| Posted: 14 Feb 2008 8:06 AM | ||
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So how did this moron plea? Not guilty I'm guessing.
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| Posted: 14 Feb 2008 11:33 AM | ||
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