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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 5:44 PM | ||
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| the last couple weekends the trails have been flooded with strings of 4 wheel and monster truck clubs, atv riders , and dirt bikes. i guess due to the nice warm weather. if there gonna sneak around the game lands anyway why not legalize it and make them pay for a permit. then maybe they wont keep coming up with new hunting fees. feel free to comment if you have any other ideas to raise money.you shouldnt have to pay over 200$ to enjoy your hunting . | ||
| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 5:53 PM | ||
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how about a 1000 dollar fine and confiscation of the atv (to be auctioned off). the state will make plenty of money. __________________ Welcome to New Jersey Whiner!
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 5:58 PM | ||
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mr12 that sounds about right i was down 21 and 24 last weekend and man i must have saw a thousand dirt bikes go down lake oswego road __________________ a bad day in the woods is better than a great day at work
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 6:00 PM | ||
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Quote: ill agree with thatyou shouldnt have to pay over 200$ to enjoy your hunting Quote: 1000 is alittle steep how about 500.00 fine first offense 1000.00 and confiscation on secondhow about a 1000 dollar fine and confiscation of the atv (to be auctioned off). the state will make plenty of money. __________________ hoyt katera xl z3 cam 1/2
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 6:01 PM | ||
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hunter i think that is dead on for what its should be __________________ a bad day in the woods is better than a great day at work
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 6:06 PM | ||
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| the state should have seperate properties for off road vehicals and dirtbikes and make them pay them pay a fee equal too or grater than our hunting and fishing fees | ||
| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 6:08 PM | ||
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thanks boomsox and new guy has a point also.seperate properties is a great idea but where to many devolpments going up or they'll take public land away from those who use it __________________ hoyt katera xl z3 cam 1/2
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 6:29 PM | ||
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| the state should buy a closed up construction project | ||
| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 6:31 PM | ||
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Quote: that would workthe state should buy a closed up construction project __________________ hoyt katera xl z3 cam 1/2
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 6:35 PM | ||
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| isnt end cap golf a closed up project? | ||
| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 8:56 PM | ||
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Quote: I think that should have been done long ago. Nothing else has worked. Other states do it, and they take most of those fees collected and use it for enforcement on areas where machines are not allowed. Registration fees should be used in the same way. NJ can't do anything right. the state should have seperate properties for off road vehicals and dirtbikes and make them pay them pay a fee equal too or grater than our hunting and fishing fees 
Also, Gov Corzine is demanding immediate big budget cuts from each department to make up for a shortfall in this year's state revenues. More money is needed. Its only going to get worse. |
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 9:02 PM | ||
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| simple solutions for big problems, nj probaly spends more money figuring out how to fix a problem than they do on the actual solution | ||
| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 6:50 AM | ||
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what is amazes me i saw 2 ranger trucks in the woods and over a hundred bikes go whizzing by me are they even stopping these guys __________________ a bad day in the woods is better than a great day at work
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 7:08 AM | ||
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I don't understand it either. People come into Greenwood with trailers full of bikes and quads. It is easy for them to get caught, but they still do it. One time I saw guys getting busted. It was a big issue a few years ago. There was a article in a local paper about a ranger almost getting run over or hit while trying to stop them. __________________ My son says "Dad! You hunt deer for deer sausage, right?" I say yea sure!....He then says "When I grow up I'm gonna hunt werewolves, so I can have werewolf sausage for breakfast."
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 6:53 PM | ||
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| im not against the public lands use of atvs and such. you have to remember the game lands are part purchased through green acres money which comes from the state tax dollars from everyone. my beef is that these lands are maintained from our sports dollars. make the other users pay and lower our fees. we can all share the woods. | ||
| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 7:14 PM | ||
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you want quad riders to pay to ride on wma's???
that sounds like a bad idea. __________________ Welcome to New Jersey Whiner!
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 7:17 PM | ||
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| to lower our license and permit costs the state should give them rules just like they give us. make them buy licenses and permits, give them designated areas, give them a season, time limits, and follow the local rules | ||
| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 7:26 PM | ||
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then what happens in september when you go hunting and find out your favorite spot was also the quad riders favorite spot and its all tore up? was letting them tear up the place a good idea now?
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make them buy licenses and permits, give them designated areas, give them a season, time limits, and follow the local rules that makes me laugh, whos going to pay when you can "shred" for free. and the " you gotta catch us dude" attitude. __________________ Welcome to New Jersey Whiner!
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 7:46 PM | ||
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Quote: Do you buy a hunting license, or do you poach for free?
that makes me laugh, whos going to pay when you can "shred" for free. they do it in every other state. They're have some places for motorized enjoyment, and other places (most) are for non-motorized forms of recreation. there will always be some outlaws. but what else can be done? __________________ I fought for America .... I buy American.
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 7:54 PM Last Edited By: liquidorange | ||
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| the riders like to hang out around the gravel pit areas and hills. i know where the heavy riding is done. i dont hunt deer there . when they do get close to me the deer usually arent bothered. if they move off they come right back. i get more spooked deer from other hunters driving around because they cant sit in a stand for more than 20 minutes. you can make it legal during the summer months and- sundays only in september through january . charge them 200$ a year for a permit. let them enjoy the land too is all im saying and let us pay less. i cant believe you couldnt figure out a compromise? | ||
| Posted: 27 Oct 2007 9:06 AM | ||
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| I am moving into a deep swamp because of this very reason.Twice last season,I had deer moving towards me,only to have the sound of approaching dirtbikes scare them off | ||
| Posted: 27 Oct 2007 11:39 AM | ||
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i agree with liquid on this one there should be a comprimise but still don't like em in the woods cause i have had close calls with a few of them __________________ a bad day in the woods is better than a great day at work
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| Posted: 27 Oct 2007 12:00 PM | ||
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charge them 200$ a year for a permit. let them enjoy the land too is all im saying and let us pay less. i cant believe you couldnt figure out a compromise? the problem with sharing the land is that ATVS arent a low impact form of recreation. The damage done to the land by ATVS is quite evident. I am not against buying some land for the use of ATVS but this is not what green acres money, or land trus money etc. were intended for. These funds are dedicated to preserving open space in a natural setting for passive recreation such as hunting, fishing, hiking nature watching etc. They were not intended to be torn up by ATVS. Also, if land were to be bought by the state for the use of ATVS, they should help foot the bill like sportsmen do by puchasing permits to ride on the land. But until such time, why buy an ATV if you have no place to ride it LEGALLY?  __________________ NJOA
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| Posted: 27 Oct 2007 12:43 PM | ||
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These funds are dedicated to preserving open space in a natural setting for passive recreation such as hunting, fishing, hiking nature watching etc. "These funds are dedicated to preserving open space in a natural setting for passive recreation " ... I've never read that. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. It provides for recreation all over the state, including urban areas. Renovation of historic sights; buildings that are used for recreation or educational purposes; playgrounds for kids, bathrooms; etc Read the list of Green Acres projects at NJ DEP. I agree that the avt'ers and dirt bikers would need to pay substantial fees. At this stage of the game, I think we should find ways to work together --- all outdoor enthusiasts. DFW will need the money, and the present policies sure have not worked very well. |
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| Posted: 27 Oct 2007 1:26 PM Last Edited By: Mr Hyde | ||
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If the state is to set aside separate land, what woods are you willing to give up? We have over developed this state and available land is no longer there.
If a dualsport bike has tags on it they can ride all they want, I drive through Wharton just to go for a ride and thats perfectly fine but when I or someone else takes their bike through there, legally you want to throw the book at them. We have evolved ourselves that if you hear a motor cycle we want to call the cops. They should make it like owning livestock if you don't own acreage its illegal to own an atv, no whining just deal with it, it sucks to lean that way but being over populated has driven us to stupid laws like that because way to many assholes living this close together. My brother in law belongs to a Jeep club and they are out every week ripping up the SF, I don't see how they are allowed to do this and no atv's can other than being street legal but tearing up the woods is tearing up the woods. I need to sit and talk to him and find out the legality of what they do, looks like fun being out with a club, but it just clashes with my hunting lifestyle. I selfishly don't want them to pay any fees, I just plain don't want them around anywhere. I would love to be able to use a golf cart or quad to extend my hunting options, but I know I would be responsible and 95% of the rest of us are dumbass's and would ruin it. __________________ ..
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| Posted: 27 Oct 2007 1:39 PM Last Edited By: liquidorange | ||
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Quote: there are some big tracts of land in the pines. you can confine them to certain areas. if the state would run a grader through the roads the roads would be maintained. you can ride snow mobiles in some state parks. you could allow those same trails to be used by atvs .where i hunt in pennsylvania there are atv and snowmobile riding trails so i know it can be done.then things would be regulated with registrations, mandatory insurance, and the thing us hunters love most. A SEA OF ENDLESS PERMITSIf the state is to set aside separate land, what woods are you willing to give up? We have over developed this state and available land is no longer there. 
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| Posted: 27 Oct 2007 1:40 PM | ||
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Quote: that's the way to gohow about a 1000 dollar fine and confiscation of the atv (to be auctioned off). the state will make plenty of money. 
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| Posted: 27 Oct 2007 1:45 PM | ||
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| there are already heavy fines and such. my buddy spent the day in court at manchester over a traffic violation and he said they had plenty of dirt bike rider violators and atv tresspasers. there arent enough law enfforcemant to cover everything. | ||
| Posted: 27 Oct 2007 1:46 PM | ||
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It has been proven that you can not adopt ideas from other state and use them here. It just never works. Chatsworth was set aside and maintained for offroad use but you still had hundreds of riders that got bored with the trails in the confined area and ended up running all over the place anyway.
I hate to sound like a NJ basher but nothing seem to work out how they plan it here. I used to live in Va. for a while and we had golfcarts and very seldom did you hear of a problem, sure they happened but nothing like here. I really don't understand, are there that many nitwits living in this state? __________________ ..
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| Posted: 27 Oct 2007 1:51 PM | ||
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Quote: One stupid thing is that the state DID buy two properties to be used for the atv's and bikes. One is a closed gravel quarry at the top of the pinelands. But, the Sierra club, and I think some "not in my back yard stuff" and the riding areas were never openned.
If the state is to set aside separate land, what woods are you willing to give up? We have over developed this state and available land is no longer there. So, the parcels of land just sit there, not being used at all. They could put some brownfields to some good use. |
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