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| Posted: 18 Oct 2007 12:53 PM | ||
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But if you hunt on private land let go!!! Why? most private parcels in NJ are 100 acres or less. A buck will likely not remain on that parcel for the entire season-he'll wander on and off-When he's off, he's at risk from someone else. unless you have a private setting of about 500 acres or more I wouldn't bother "managing for trophy deer" as all the adds say. Most of your deer on lesser properties are on and off the property all the time. As for spikes-do what you will. I generaly won't shoot a dinker until close to the end of the season-once the last week of the season hits-if its got a crown its going down. same with 6-day I have a 750 acre lease, and spend a lot of time on public land too. I've seen slammers on both prvate and public-and it has nothing to do with me being selective about what I shoot. If I don't drop that dinker-the farmer will do it with a .22. As far as I'm concerned If its legal-Its your choice do as you will -just make sure your shot placement is good. __________________ Support the N.J.O.A. and the "Littel Amendment" An amendment to the New Jersey State Constitution that Guarantees the right to hunt, trap, and fish in New JerseyNew Jersey Outdoor Alliance
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| Posted: 18 Oct 2007 1:14 PM | ||
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"matty",right on brother!!! LET THEM GROW,!! SO EVERYONE CAN AT LEAST SEE A TROPHY!THERE IS PLENTY OF OLDER DOES THAT NEED TO BE HARVESTED,PLUS AFTER 3 YEARS OF AGE THEY ONLY PRODUCE DOES. NO MORE BUTTON BUCKS,THROWS OFF THE BALANCE OF THE HERD. __________________ renegade archery pro staff outdoorsaddiction.com
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| Posted: 18 Oct 2007 1:23 PM | ||
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In one spot I have been hunting I have been seeing a small spike with spikes like pencils myself and 2 others have almost shot him for a doe I have let him walk several times as I have his brothers of 5 to 8 points in this same woods but if I see him the last day I am hunting with my Fall buck tag I may take him as this is surly a lesser deer for DMZ 10. __________________ 6 day buck hunters had their best years when Nov.+ Jan. were bow only seasons additionally the Div. did best when every doe killed was paid for on a separate tag.
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| Posted: 18 Oct 2007 1:29 PM | ||
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The last drive of the day on monday morning we killed a five pointer that was no bigger then a 3 inch spike. We took it to the check in station the biologist looks at its teeth. The lady goes wow this deer is 6yrs old. 6yrs old on a wma in jackson. I understand what everyone is saying but what about this when we took it to the check in station...Six years old and it was not bigger then a spike but with little points on it... __________________ FIRE IT UP!!!!!
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| Posted: 18 Oct 2007 1:34 PM | ||
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During this extraordinarily good year, there should be zero spikes, but sure enough, a few of the rascals we seen by the biologists in the helicopters. They are obviously just trying to make $$ or have entirely too many deer on the property because shooting spikes for mgt is just poor mgt.... There have been two really good studies, one in WI and the other TX, that have proven that a deer will not meet its full potential until 5 yrs old.. Yes there maybe genetic or nutritional issues in certain areas that produce substandard bucks but a 1.5 yr old spike and a 1.5 yr old 8 pt, could both be equal 140 class bucks by age 5 (according to the studies)..I dont have the time to find the results but the were in a recent issue of Deer & Deer Hunting... __________________ |
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| Posted: 18 Oct 2007 1:42 PM | ||
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There have been two really good studies, one in WI and the other TX, For my own sake I ask how would this apply to say an area in NJ that was being managed under CBDM ? __________________ 6 day buck hunters had their best years when Nov.+ Jan. were bow only seasons additionally the Div. did best when every doe killed was paid for on a separate tag.
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| Posted: 18 Oct 2007 1:43 PM | ||
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I hunt public lands, so I doubt I would p [no swearing please] on a spike, unless I see a bigger buck in the distance. Shotgun season I will take the spike, no questions asked I missed this one..I thought Joe only shot 6 pts or better or was that just 2006 and Only Bow Season.  . __________________ |
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 7:42 AM | ||
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I missed this one..I thought Joe only shot 6 pts or better or was that just 2006 and Only Bow Season.. Unless it's a day that ends in "Y" during weeks that are 7 days long. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 8:00 AM | ||
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I hunt public land and will shoot spike. Not all spikes are young deer. Two years ago I passed on a spike during early bow. Two days later he was laying dead on the road. I thought damn, I should have shot him. What a waste. __________________ My son says "Dad! You hunt deer for deer sausage, right?" I say yea sure!....He then says "When I grow up I'm gonna hunt werewolves, so I can have werewolf sausage for breakfast."
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 9:04 AM | ||
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I thought Joe only shot 6 pts or better or was that just 2006 and Only Bow Season. I think that was only for muzzleloader  __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 9:10 AM | ||
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Depends on the property I am hunting and the time I have to go hunting. I have access to a couple pieces that hold some good deer and a few trophy deer. On those properties I know going in that I will not shoot something small, I also don't have alot of time to hunt these properties so if I want to make sure I put meat in the freezer I will go to another property that has pleanty of deer but no trophies, it also borders a hunt club on one side, public land on another and some old timers who shoot everything on another so I doubt you will see a slammer there no matter how many you pass up. If I'm pressed for time and the season is shortening I will shoot a small buck there but probably not a spike. __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 9:16 AM | ||
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Good game management tells US, When, what, and why DOEs/Spikes should be taken out of a herd. From Rutgers to Texas A&M, these Schools and others that have Game Management, fines to keep a healthy herd some MUST go. Yes I agree to Grow Big Bucks (BODY & rack) the herd needs to be the right size for the area it lives/feeds in. Just Look at what Mother Nature is doing right now with the herds.
Now add these so called OLD SCHOOL hunters... You know them... "If it's brown...It's down" .... " If I don't take it ...someone else will" ..... " What do You think I hunt on State/WMA land". I hunt for Food ( Meat), If I see a spike that has a bigger body then a nice small 8pointer... That Spike is going to be Killed, Then Grilled.. Code: The Beast is Dead....Long Live the Beast __________________ Quote: Hunting is My Heart & Soul, Without it. I'm just a empty shell. |
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 10:46 AM | ||
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i would pass on a spiker during bow or muzzleloader but during 6 day i would shoot the spike for meat for the guys who don't get out much or guys who can't get out __________________ a bad day in the woods is better than a great day at work
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 11:06 AM | ||
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Quote: AFTER 3 YEARS OF AGE THEY ONLY PRODUCE DOES. NO MORE BUTTON BUCKS,THROWS OFF THE BALANCE OF THE HERD. 
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 11:26 AM | ||
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I can shoot enough does to keep the freezer full.
Last year, I passed on a small four pointer a half dozen times. On the last day of permit bow, I decided I might take him. Drew on him at 15 yards, picked a hair to shoot and then decided to let him go and slowly relaxed the bow. Unfortunately, the big 10 I had been hunting all season watched the whole thing and busted me. Learned my lesson, I hunt does for the freezer and bucks for the wall. If I am not willing to invest in a mount for the deer, I let him walk. Rob |
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 11:27 AM | ||
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| no spikes here, i will let them grow | ||
| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 11:44 AM | ||
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 12:10 PM Last Edited By: Dave2122 | ||
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I hunt a 692 acre farm in sussex county which boarders a state park. We have an 8 point or better rule. My own personal rule has been 8 or better for the last 6 years, unless I see a wounded deer. Which was the case during the 2005 shotgun season when I shot an 8 pointer and then later in the week I had a 4 pointer with a broken leg come within range so I shot it. __________________ "Well, if it isn't Mister Chain Blue Lightning himself"
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 6:09 PM | ||
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I always have this arguement with my dads friend. He will shoot any buck, I guess then he can say he got a buck? He hunted on a great property with my Dad when I was little. This property consistantly produced 3 1/2 year old bucks and older (my dads was 5 1/2) This guy never killed a big buck on the property (wonder why). What he dosent know is I would let him hunt on alot more of the pieces I have permission to hunt, but why ask a guy who would shoot all the bucks that I let grow. Instead I have to lie to him and tell him the people only want two guys to hunt there .
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 6:20 PM | ||
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NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU BOIL THOSE HORNS THEY AREN"T GOING TO TASTE GOOD!!!!!!
SHOOT A DOE INSTEAD! |
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 7:31 PM | ||
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no spikes for me. 2 1/2 year old 8 points or better is where i am at currently on my standards. i'm sure they will go up with time and experience, but a 2 1/2 year old 8 point is a trophy to me. and i shoot a bunch of does to keep the freezer full thats were i'm at also. i hunt private lands mostly and do see the benifits of QDM, been at it for 8 years now on my main piece. i took 3 bucks in the 120" or better in the last three years there. i wish we would have a statewide four on one side. __________________ united bowhunters of nj
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 7:38 PM | ||
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I let them go
I like to see big bucks __________________ <- <- <- <- ~ <- <- <- <-
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 7:42 PM | ||
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| i would prolly take a spike | ||
| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 7:44 PM | ||
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i say kill it because the next guy over the hill will that one was for matty __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
CROSSBOWS are divisive....look whats happening to hunter unity CROSSBOWS...whats the real motive behind it |
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| Posted: 03 Nov 2007 7:28 AM | ||
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Some Spikes just really need to be taken out of the heard
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| Posted: 03 Nov 2007 8:33 AM | ||
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Zone 16 for me - buck must have at least three points on one side Paul are you saying that is your rule, because zone 16 does not have the 3 point on one side restriction rule. Unless maybe you're hunting a special area?
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| Posted: 03 Nov 2007 8:46 AM | ||
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No Spikes for me either! We hunt primarily private land so it's not our best interest to shoot anything less the 8's but there is a HUGE 6 running around he may get it if if makes an apearence while Im in the tree. I have passed on probably 20 different bucks this season so far, non were big all spikes, 4's and 6's. Let them grow! I wish the entire state was 3pts. on a side. If you need the meat shoot a doe. BTW, I don't practice this only on private land but also on state land. I'm not wasting my tag on a spike, no way! __________________ What if the Hokey Pokey is really what it's all about??
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| Posted: 03 Nov 2007 8:54 AM Last Edited By: BOWHUNTERCOP | ||
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| Beaverkill if you looked at the statement I made within this thred: "I hunt public lands, so I doubt I would p [no swearing please] on a spike, unless I see a bigger buck in the distance. Shotgun season I will take the spike, no questions asked" it was made over 2 years ago, if you went onto reading you would of noticed that I stated I would allow the spikes to walk, and for this statemet:about 6 points or better it was for the muzzleloader season that I made last year a few days before the season and I held true to my word, that is the 2nd post you tried to counter react my statements, but you failed. | ||
| Posted: 03 Nov 2007 9:49 AM | ||
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| Don't shoot spikes. Let them grow. My rule now is if I'm not going to mount it, I'm not going to shoot it! SHOOT DOES FOR MEAT! | ||
| Posted: 03 Nov 2007 10:13 AM | ||
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| I don't have much time to hunt in the season...I probably get AT MOST, a week of good hunting if I'm lucky. I have also not yet harvested a buck. Last year I got a doe, and I was very proud, as that was the first time I got out. This year, I really hope to get a buck. I know there are bigger ones out where I'm hunting, but when the crunch time comes, I may take a spike and I would be very proud of my first buck. I guess it depends upon the hunter, how many years they've been hunting, the location and what kinds of other deer are around. Since I know there's already a lot of bigger deer, I don't think shooting one spike is going to make a difference (I hunt private land). I guess I'm not all about the trophy yet, but I could understand others passing on a spike if they've already taken some pretty nice bucks. | ||
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