elizabeth firearm id card

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FYI your local PD has exactly 30 dyas to produce your FID card to you. I know this isn't the case and they never finish it that time. However, this is the law and no one challanges them.

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FYI, you are only partly correct. The law does state 30 days. That is the only part you have right.
People have challenged the 30 day rule and the court system has repeatedly upheld that if it takes longer due to information not being back that is required to complete the background check on the person, it is ok. It's known as case law. It's set all the time by the courts.

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You guys bitch about how "IT MUST BE DONE WITHIN 30 DAYS, PER THE LAW"

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is it that important to have it back in 30 days?

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Joe - for once, you really need to stop this attitude that keeps showing cops to be above the law. Seriously!

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You're a new hunter and would like to start shotgunning for pheasants/deer. You put your FID application in early September figuring it'll be done in time, since that's what the law STATES. And like most towns, they don't get it to you till January. What then? You just missed most of the season because the FID card wasn't processed as quickly as it should've.

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Please show me where that is?

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What information are you referring to? The only information that I can think of which would make the 30 day rule null and void would be if your references took too long. If your references have the information back 3 or so days, there's NO reason why this rule shouldn't be honored.

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1. Fingerprint checks
2. Work place verification and checks
3. Resident neighbor checks
4. References
5. Corrected application IF there is anything wrong on it
6. MO made out properly IF it wasn't done right in the first place.
7. Another PD doesn't get us the paperwork and we have to chase them down. (transfers and change of addresses)

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the law is the law and he will slam the 2C: book in your face
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Are you going to hunt the pheasants in the weeds/cattails along the turnpike, ikea, etc? My mother still lives in Linden, I'll meet up with ya some morning.

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how do you know when they're done and its ready

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NJ should get rid of the "FID" and do what most other states do, an instant background check at time of purchase.

Posted: 31 Jul 2007 5:17 PM
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went to the elizabeth police station today and applied for my id card . the guy thats finger printed me was pretty funny he keep trying to convince me to buy a remingt0n 870 when i got my card ...i toold him i prefer the browning and benelli. the other guy told me it coulod be from anywheres from 1-4 months depending how fast my information comes bac

Posted: 31 Jul 2007 5:46 PM
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Posted: 31 Jul 2007 7:10 PM
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I don't need one. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent

Posted: 31 Jul 2007 8:44 PM
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Good luck Droppin em. Are you going to hunt the pheasants in the weeds/cattails along the turnpike, ikea, etc? My mother still lives in Linden, I'll meet up with ya some morning. They'd probably think we were terrorists attacking the airport or the ConRail tanker cars.

Posted: 31 Jul 2007 9:42 PM
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FYI your local PD has exactly 30 dyas to produce your FID card to you. I know this isn't the case and they never finish it that time. However, this is the law and no one challanges them. The Luetenant that is doing the background check and you personal references has been thrown into performing this duty and doesn't like it, due to the fact that if he misses something and your a registered criminal. He will poss loose his job/pention. __________________ Hunt with what you want and do it well... Proud member of UBNJ V.P. of UXBNJ http://www.uxbnj.com/ Mike ---} ---->

Posted: 31 Jul 2007 11:28 PM
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i just got mine! and it only took 5 MONTHS!!!! Franco......... __________________ "Look out for number one, but dont step in number two!". "Hey! that kangaroo stole my ball!!" (Rodney Dangerfield)

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 9:25 AM
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Quote: FYI your local PD has exactly 30 dyas to produce your FID card to you. I know this isn't the case and they never finish it that time. However, this is the law and no one challanges them. FYI, you are only partly correct. The law does state 30 days. That is the only part you have right. People have challenged the 30 day rule and the court system has repeatedly upheld that if it takes longer due to information not being back that is required to complete the background check on the person, it is ok. It's known as case law. It's set all the time by the courts. As far as the Lt losing his job and pension, it wouldn't happen UNLESS, it could be shown that he performed or better yet failed to perform his job correctly. __________________ "A bad day of hunting is better than a good day of work"

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 9:30 AM
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Quote: FYI, you are only partly correct. The law does state 30 days. That is the only part you have right. People have challenged the 30 day rule and the court system has repeatedly upheld that if it takes longer due to information not being back that is required to complete the background check on the person, it is ok. It's known as case law. It's set all the time by the courts. What information are you referring to? The only information that I can think of which would make the 30 day rule null and void would be if your references took too long. If your references have the information back 3 or so days, there's NO reason why this rule shouldn't be honored. David __________________ NJ... Where fun comes to die!

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 9:39 AM Last Edited By: BOWHUNTERCOP
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You guys bitch about how "IT MUST BE DONE WITHIN 30 DAYS, PER THE LAW" All I can say is, that if it takes more then 30 days hire a lawyer, spend the money, go down to police headquarters show them the law as it is and demand to have your card right there & then, or just sit back and wait for it like alot of people.....There are many reasons why it may and does take more then 30 days, is it that important to have it back in 30 days? Cause if you go and demand things, your paper work could be lost. If you have nothing in your jacket, then you will get it

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 10:00 AM Last Edited By: yoda4x4
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Quote: You guys bitch about how "IT MUST BE DONE WITHIN 30 DAYS, PER THE LAW" Well let's see... per the law you are not allowed to speed, right? And when a cop finds someone speeding, they give them a fine. Again like most things, why are cops above the law? I can understand if it took 6 weeks instead of 30 days. But in alot if not most cases, guys/gals with clean records are made to wait 3+ months for their FID card. Mine took almost 6 months. Should people bitch? ABSOLUTELY! Cops are our civil servants, and with regard to FID cards, are not doing their jobs. Plain and simple. There's no excuses. Quote: is it that important to have it back in 30 days? Why shouldn't it be back within the timeframe the law states? In some instances I'd have to say that it definitely needs to be back in 1-2 months. Here's a scenario for you: You're a new hunter and would like to start shotgunning for pheasants/deer. You put your FID application in early September figuring it'll be done in time, since that's what the law STATES. And like most towns, they don't get it to you till January. What then? You just missed most of the season because the FID card wasn't processed as quickly as it should've. Joe - for once, you really need to stop this attitude that keeps showing cops to be above the law. Seriously! David __________________ NJ... Where fun comes to die!

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 10:09 AM
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Then, when one of your friends apply, go with him. Tell the officer(s) and Cheif of that department that you know the laws and that your friend better have it back in 30 days or else!!!!!!!! See how fast the paper work goes bye bye......Ever think, maybe it isn't the police department, but the Feds? Goto Newark to the FBI Office and also demand them to move faster, practice what you preach. I applied for mine on my 18th birthday (1988) I'm not sure how long it took for the paperwork to be done, but I do remember it was over 6 months when I made a call, and was told that it has been sitting there for awhile, did I cry? No I went and got it

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 10:12 AM
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Quote: Joe - for once, you really need to stop this attitude that keeps showing cops to be above the law. Seriously! Please show me where that is?

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 10:16 AM
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Quote: You're a new hunter and would like to start shotgunning for pheasants/deer. You put your FID application in early September figuring it'll be done in time, since that's what the law STATES. And like most towns, they don't get it to you till January. What then? You just missed most of the season because the FID card wasn't processed as quickly as it should've. That is your fault then, why be last minute. Would you go and purchase a bow the day before opening day? There are a rash of reasons why it may take more then 30 days, what if the people you listed never sent the paperwork back, should they issue you a FID card anyway, what if it got lost in the mail, what it they forgot to sign it, what if they found something and they are doing a more in depth investigation?

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 10:37 AM
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Quote: Please show me where that is? Sorry Joe, but I don't have the hours worth of time to find ALL of your posts showing you playing the "Cop" role. David __________________ NJ... Where fun comes to die!

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 10:43 AM
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Posted: 01 Aug 2007 11:10 AM
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Wow, I read he just applied for his card....maybe we should wait and see how long it takes to get it before storming the police station lol. I don't believe a Lt is being paid over a hundred grand with the sole responsibility of doing background checks and processing FID applications. The chuckleheads in ID, the lady in records that sends out the reference letters, NCIC operator that runs your criminal history--all have to do their jobs and present what returns to that fearful LT. Then he has to get the Chief to sign it. I have heard of local Chiefs who were anti gun sitting on app. More likely just a case of slow return on references, someone in the process not passing it down the line for whatever reason, stalling the entire process. Good Luck

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 11:18 AM
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it me about 1 1/2 months to get mine

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 11:21 AM
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The remmington 870 shoots alot smoother than a benelli nova . I own both models.

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 1:21 PM
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It took me nearl ten years to get mine. And before you ask no I don't have a record. __________________ Hunt with a Vizsla, Cause life's to short to hunt with an ugly dog! Deer-A-Thon Pro Staffer

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 2:35 PM
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Quote: What information are you referring to? The only information that I can think of which would make the 30 day rule null and void would be if your references took too long. If your references have the information back 3 or so days, there's NO reason why this rule shouldn't be honored. Well let's see. 1. Fingerprint checks 2. Work place verification and checks 3. Resident neighbor checks 4. References 5. Corrected application IF there is anything wrong on it 6. MO made out properly IF it wasn't done right in the first place. 7. Another PD doesn't get us the paperwork and we have to chase them down. (transfers and change of addresses) The court decisions have upheld the right of the PD to fully investigate the applicant and ALL information important to the application. Especially in post 911 and with all the shootings at colleges etc no Judge is going to say "Ah, just give it to him/her because it's been 30 days". Now, I'm not justifying (and it does happen, I know) any PD who lets it sit, Chiefs that don't sign them just because it isn't the 5th of the month etc. If that can be shown to be the case, they should be held accountable. I am the most agreeable type person when it comes to the signing and returning of these items along with Pistol Permits. But even in our dept, I'm pressed to find many times that the invest is complete so they can be issued. Right now we are getting a new applicant finished and the item issued in around 4-6 weeks. That's the BEST I can do. So take the 30 days and do what you want with it. Some of us do what we can but IT IS NOT ENFORCEABLE all the time for a LOT OF REASONS. __________________ "A bad day of hunting is better than a good day of work"

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 2:43 PM
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yoda4x4, Did you ever think of trying to get the Firearm Laws in NJ changed? How about we do away with the Pistol Permits and NJFID Cards. We have NICS. We don't need the others. Nothing is stopping you from starting a program to get a local Representative to introduce a bill to change the law. I could even give you some that I know who are pro gun rights. Do you think a bill would pass? Doubt it. But if you aren't happy, you should try to change it. And no, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about cops, speeders, etc. It "ain't" gonna happen. I'll leave that for you and Joe to take care of. __________________ "A bad day of hunting is better than a good day of work"

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 2:47 PM
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Yoda doesn't care about: Quote: 1. Fingerprint checks 2. Work place verification and checks 3. Resident neighbor checks 4. References 5. Corrected application IF there is anything wrong on it 6. MO made out properly IF it wasn't done right in the first place. 7. Another PD doesn't get us the paperwork and we have to chase them down. (transfers and change of addresses) the law is the law and he will slam the 2C: book in your face

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 3:18 PM
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Quote: the law is the law and he will slam the 2C: book in your face __________________ Application? What application? __________________ "A bad day of hunting is better than a good day of work"

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 4:00 PM Last Edited By: bloodtrails
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Bottom line is it can be done in 30 days or close to it as TJC's department does. Departments that take longer than that are putting undue delay on honest gun owners. Now if it's your fault because your references haven't come back on time then that is a different story. NJ should get rid of the "FID" and do what most other states do, an instant background check at time of purchase. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 4:03 PM
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Quote: Are you going to hunt the pheasants in the weeds/cattails along the turnpike, ikea, etc? My mother still lives in Linden, I'll meet up with ya some morning. nah not anymore they put the jersey garbage mall there

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 4:04 PM
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TJC - Your points are well taken. With regard to changing the law, I'm a realist. I know that we all live in a state where left winged liberalists rule so I know there's not a chance in hell that FID's and handgun permits will be eliminated. The only comment I will make is that I personally believe that PDs will let the FIDs sit for whatever reasons they may have, alot more than some may believe. BHC - Read TJC's posts. You could learn ALOT. David __________________ NJ... Where fun comes to die!

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 4:10 PM
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how do you know when they're done and its ready

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 4:26 PM
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Quote: how do you know when they're done and its ready They should call you. This is what I've done in the past and it always seems to work: 1. Call after 2 weeks and chack to make sure the references have come back. If they haven't, contact your references and find out why or get a date when they sent them back. 2. Call after 3 weeks to check on the status. Be polite. 3. Call after 4 weeks. Then every week after that. Get names and start collecting reasons why it isn't ready. 4. After 6 weeks it's time for a call to the Chief. I've never had to wait longer than this. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 4:34 PM
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Quote: NJ should get rid of the "FID" and do what most other states do, an instant background check at time of purchase. I agree Now Davey, what did I say in any of my above post to offend you? All I said was that there could be reasons for a delay that you may not be aware of, maybe your references never sent the paper work back in, maybe there was a question mark about the applicate, maybe the paper work was lost. Someone on here is going thru the process of getting hired, there current job delayed mailing back the question form, this in return delays the investigation, this person didn't bitch towards the department, he complained towards his current employer to get the ball rolling. So next time a member on here is waiting and waiting over the 30 days, then step up for him, and demand that the police give him his FID Card per the 30 day law, oh and do this in person

Posted: 01 Aug 2007 4:59 PM
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Quote: NJ should get rid of the "FID" and do what most other states do, an instant background check at time of purchase. I agree 100%. It is not needed. __________________ "A bad day of hunting is better than a good day of work"