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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 6:45 AM | ||
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I was thinking about trying to draft some pro hunting legislation. Anyone want to help out? Who knows... probably no one will sponsor it... but its worth a shot. Oh... and we have zero dollars. LOL... Oh... and we have zero governmental contacts or influence. LOL... __________________ |
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 6:46 AM | ||
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Oh... and I forgot... I/we are too honest for this stuff.
It will probably only get sponsored if some type of kick back was involved. __________________ |
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 6:49 AM | ||
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we have zero dollars. LOL... Oh... and we have zero governmental contacts or influence. LOL These are some odds!! I don't know anything about this kind of stuff, but if the guys that do get the ball rolling, I would help with what I could. What did you have in mind? __________________ "from my cold dead hands"
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 6:53 AM | ||
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What kind of legislation are you looking to write??I know pro hunting, but I'm sure you may want to narrow it down a tad..
Zero dollars and zero contacts.. Well there has to be 1 politican in this state that likes to hunt and fish... __________________ "Fat, Drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son."
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 7:28 AM Last Edited By: apmaurosr | ||
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It might be a good idea to come up with a "goal" - or what it is you would specifically like to attain. For instance, changing the state constitution to include hunting as a "right" of the people. Once you've got the goal, we'd need to get the support of an orgaization with some clout in NJ and a legislative presence to present and promote the idea (i.e. Federation) and also get the support of all the other hunting organizations in the state (UBNJ, etc.) In this way we can harness a large number of groups/hunters and have some leverage in getting the idea crafted, introduced, and backed by some muscle. I'm sure there are other ways. I just can't think of them at the moment. Ant |
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 9:20 AM | ||
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One thing that always bothered me was if we can not hunt within 450' of a dwelling then developers should not be allowed to build within 450 of property used for hunting. It should work both ways. LOL (Lots of luck) __________________ WELCOME TO THE United Socialist States of America( USSA)
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 11:06 AM | ||
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How about making hunter harassment or interfering with a lawful hunt a non-pleabargainable felony with mandatory jail time. Then maybe those ara idiots wont feel like they can get away with a slap on the wrist everytime. Another good one would be to never allow the state to sell any of the WMA's or at least make them provide us back with another spot of eaqual acreage if they do. __________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 11:34 AM | ||
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My ideas include:
- Define hunting as a "right" of its citizens. - Cities, towns, townships, boroughs, etc. cannot make hunting illegal. The only entity with that authority is the Div. of F&W. __________________ |
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 12:03 PM | ||
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Quote: Premption would make a HUGE difference, especially in towns that have no discharge ordinances as a way of putting the kabosh on hunting.- Cities, towns, townships, boroughs, etc. cannot make hunting illegal. The only entity with that authority is the Div. of F&W. __________________ __________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 1:22 PM | ||
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Premption would make a HUGE difference, especially in towns that have no discharge ordinances as a way of putting the kabosh on hunting. IMO- Rockport had the same objective in mind. Close the place that stocks the state & you stop upland bird hunting. I like the way you guys think. 
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 1:27 PM Last Edited By: apmaurosr | ||
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Define hunting as a "right" of its citizens. - Cities, towns, townships, boroughs, etc. cannot make hunting illegal. The only entity with that authority is the Div. of F&W. Drag Great goals!! IMO - hunters (and anglers) need to get united quickly and begin to exercise our strength before we could muscle this through. But we have elections coming up this fall and that's a great start. Unite hunters and anglers to make sure we put the right people in office... then push the agenda for a state constitution guaranteeing hunting and fishing.
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 1:46 PM | ||
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See Ant... its working already... let the "drafting" begin. LOL...
Two Bills: - Define hunting and fishing as a "right" for all citizens (insert link to current definition of a NJ citizen). - Cities, towns, townships, boroughs, etc. cannot make hunting or fishing illegal. The only entity with the authority to institute hunting or fishing restrictions is the the Div. of F&W (insert link to existing law). __________________ |
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 1:58 PM Last Edited By: Dragthor | ||
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Okay... now it looks like we have 1 Amendment... and 1 Bill.
---------------------------------- NJ Constitutional Amendment to define hunting and fishing as a right for all legal citizens. This proposed Amendment will simply protect regulated hunting and fishing for future generations by recognizing them as protected rights and defining them as preferred methods for managing non-threatened wildlife. ---------------------------------- NJ Legislative Bill stating the only entity with the authority to institute hunting or fishing restrictions is the Div. of F&W. Basically towns such as Parsippany, Shrewsbury, Tewksbury, etc. cannot ban hunting or fishing without the consent of the Div. of F&W. __________________ |
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 1:59 PM | ||
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The only entity with the authority to institute hunting or fishing restrictions is the the Div. of F&W (insert link to existing law). No - the NJDEP has ultimate authority, but should follow reccomendations of F&W. You're on a roll. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 2:04 PM | ||
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And something that all citizens have a right to hunt & fish provided that the individual follows F&W game code. __________________ |
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 2:06 PM | ||
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Now,if only we can get the governor to play ball ! This one's definitly gonna have to start from the ground up and hopefully have a snowball effect as support grows.It,s the only way I can see it really working.__________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 2:14 PM | ||
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I love the "right to hunt, Actually I love them both but what about some towns having no discharge laws?? __________________ "Fat, Drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son."
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 2:16 PM | ||
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Kris... I think if any legislation is passed to help hunters (and the state's wildlife in general) the goal must be land conservation. Especially in NJ. If the state's endless development continues there will be no land left for anything except people. The state should be buying more and more land for the purpose of wildlife conservation and habitat management. __________________ Dog's on point... get ready!!!
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 2:17 PM | ||
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Well if we take the Amendment approach... towns could not ban hunting... since its a right for law abiding citizens.
I wonder... if we take the bill route... that provides only the NJ F&W with the authority to restrict hunting... then maybe the "no discharge" nonsense becomes invalid...or has to change to say "except for legal hunting activities"?  __________________ |
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 3:13 PM | ||
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Quote: Amen to thatThe state should be buying more and more land for the purpose of wildlife conservation and habitat management. ,but the developers dump BIG money into campaigns and im not suprised the current admistration isnt banging up a big for sale sign on every piece of land they can get thier grubby hands on. For every piece lost ,they should have to replace it,period.__________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 3:17 PM | ||
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oneshot - actually Corzine wants to sell off land to builders. __________________ |
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 3:24 PM | ||
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NJ Legislative Bill stating the only entity with the authority to institute hunting or fishing restrictions is the Div. of F&W. Basically towns such as Parsippany, Shrewsbury, Tewksbury, etc. cannot ban hunting or fishing without the consent of the Div. of F&W. There is already a law stating that. __________________ "To be unarmed and therefore helpless in the face of evil is irresponsible and in fact complicit to said evil. If you knowingly and intentionally go forward incapable of stopping evil, you assist in its progress. Only a person free to choose to protect himself is truly respecting God's gift of life." Ted Nugent
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 3:26 PM | ||
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i'M IN
and then i can walk across the street and hunt the 8 pointers that are in the woods there __________________  Git-R-Done
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| Posted: 03 Apr 2007 3:34 PM | ||
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Quote: That's a m-fing disgrace!!!oneshot - actually Corzine wants to sell off land to builders.  He doesnt own the state gamelands,WE DO ,collectivly [by way of our purchasing of a hunting licence]. Ourselves along with our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers etc. made an investment in that state hunting land over decades and decades of purchasing a hunting licence and paying fees.It should be illegal to do so without the consent of the majority of us that own a hunting license. He is the biggest piece of sh!t ive seen come into office in years. He may even have some of the Kennedy's beat!__________________ NRA LIFE MEMBER
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| Posted: 04 Apr 2007 10:38 PM Last Edited By: Dragthor | ||
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Quote: NJ Legislative Bill stating the only entity with the authority to institute hunting or fishing restrictions is the Div. of F&W. Basically towns such as Parsippany, Shrewsbury, Tewksbury, etc. cannot ban hunting or fishing without the consent of the Div. of F&W. ....and THAT is why they employ "No Discharge ordanances. Your desire to write that bill has already been done and it is a lost cause in this state. Now for your "Right to HUNT" bill You already represent how many members via this website? There is the org you represnet than go get the WRITEN support from ALL of the MEMBER orgs. in the NJSFSC (Not hard to do). Find assemblymen and State Senators who will sponsor this legislation (Start with your own first) other good bets to try are both Republicans from the NW corner and Democrats (Best choice) and republicans from the SW end of the state. With the help of your sponsor go to Legislative Services and have the bill hammerd into the legalese required to make it a viable bill. Than the work begins. There is already a law stating that. __________________ 6 day buck hunters had their best years when Nov.+ Jan. were bow only seasons additionally the Div. did best when every doe killed was paid for on a separate tag.
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| Posted: 05 Apr 2007 4:36 AM | ||
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Well, as they say --- there's no time like the present. There's something to be said for planting the idea in people's minds and making the issue "high profile."
Pragmatically speaking, it will be difficult for this issue to "get legs" with the legislators currently make up the majority but it certainly would be a bold message for hunters to send. It might even be galvanizing for hunters. Let's put the right people in the assembly and senate this fall too! These people are up for re-election. Ant |
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| Posted: 05 Apr 2007 5:54 AM | ||
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Wow how did my whole post turn into a quote?
THIS part should have stood alone. Now for your "Right to HUNT" bill, You already represent how many members via this website? There is the org you represnet than go get the WRITEN support from ALL of the MEMBER orgs. in the NJSFSC (Not hard to do). Find assemblymen and State Senators who will sponsor this legislation (Start with your own first) other good bets to try are both Republicans from the NW corner and Democrats (Best choice) and republicans from the SW end of the state. With the help of your sponsor go to Legislative Services and have the bill hammerd into the legalese required to make it a viable bill. Than the work begins. __________________ 6 day buck hunters had their best years when Nov.+ Jan. were bow only seasons additionally the Div. did best when every doe killed was paid for on a separate tag.
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| Posted: 05 Apr 2007 6:12 AM Last Edited By: Dragthor | ||
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There is already a law stating that. Hmm... what's the purpose of having a law that the Court will "interpret" incorrectly... or use it to force change or mold society without the will of the people? However, with a constitutional amendment... __________________ |
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| Posted: 05 Apr 2007 6:17 AM | ||
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i thought they use the no discharge law to go around the fact that they dont want hunting. that way it looks like they are not saying it __________________ i pay to hunt here....do you "pay to hike here"
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| Posted: 05 Apr 2007 6:23 AM | ||
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Well... I started this thread to fish around for some ideas. No pun intended. __________________ |
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