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| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:14 AM Last Edited By: Dragthor | ||
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Video of hunt cited in cruelty allegation
Bowhunters deny kicking birds Posted by the Asbury Park Press http://www.app.com/ on 05/25/06 BY TOM BALDWIN TBALDWI@GANNETT.COM GANNETT STATE BUREAU TRENTON — An animal-rights activist showed a video Wednesday in which men in winter hunting apparel appeared to kick and prod huddled ringneck pheasants to make them take flight, whereupon a fusillade of arrows downed the birds. A spokesman for the hunters group said to have staged the killings denied the birds were drugged, as the activist charged, and said they were not kicked, in spite of what was on the video shown to reporters. "Whether they flushed those birds by shaking or kicking at a bush, or used a dog, they are both accepted methods," said Matt Trembow, vice president of United Bowhunters of New Jersey, which apparently staged the event in Sussex County. He said he had not viewed the video or attended the shoot. The New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals said it will investigate, contending it is illegal to use live animals for target practice. But a state wildlife official who did view the video declared the hunters' actions to be within state laws. "We are hoping the state will prosecute," said Stuart Chaifetz of Cherry Hill, director of what he says is a 3,000-member Animal Protection PAC, short for political action committee. Chaifetz is a vocal and longtime opponent of hunting. New Jersey SPCA spokesman Matt Stanton said, "On its face, it appears they were using the birds for target practice, which is illegal." "The cruelty is in the kicking," said Chaifetz, who copied the video from Internet sites focused on outdoor activities. Joe Mills, a spokesman for the bowhunters group, called the Feb. 18 event a hunt, not target practice. He said, "The birds were not drugged," explaining that it is common for handlers to place a bird's head under its wing, and then count to 10, maybe to 20 or 30. In bird-shooting parlance, he said, that is "putting the bird to sleep." Then, when the handler lets the bird go, it will remain there for almost precisely the time the handler had counted. "The guys who stock the field will do this," Mills said. "I know sometimes birds don't flush well. It's unsporting to shoot them on the ground," he said. Larry Herrighty, chief of the Bureau of Wildlife Management in the Department of Environmental Protection, said the incident took place within the legal open season for gunning of upland birds. "Some of those birds found by the dog were prodded, and they flew. I don't see anything illegal in the video that I saw," Herrighty said. Tom Baldwin: tbaldwi@gannett.com __________________ |
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:20 AM Last Edited By: Schues41 | ||
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"We are hoping the state will prosecute," said Stuart Chaifetz Prosecute for what dip shit! Quote:
"The cruelty is in the kicking," said Chaifetz, There is no kicking you fat bastard! |
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:24 AM | ||
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"The cruelty is in the kicking," said Chaifetz Yeah kickin the bushes..i guess he's concerned for the bushes safety now  __________________ |
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:24 AM | ||
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Someone really needs to sue the station for this. UBNJ.... someone, step up to the plate!
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:27 AM | ||
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| All this crap about abolishing "Sport Hunting" what nonsense. Does the game that anyone takes on this site not feed the hunters that shoot it, their families, and their friends? How is that sport hunting anyway. I'm pretty sure noone on this site shoots a deer or a pheasant just for the sport of it, they all end up on the dinner table. At least no respectable hunter I know does that. What a bunch of crapola. | ||
| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:50 AM | ||
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| just heard the radio 101.5 newscast at 8:30 a.m.. reporter said listen to the video, you can hear the arrow hit the pheasant at point-blank range. bionic ears, these conned news turkeys have. and somebody tell them the difference between point-blank and 10-20 yards. anybody who can kill way out with a flu-flu would be in ripley's believe-it-or-not. what's a late-season cockbird cost, $8-9? | ||
| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:54 AM | ||
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Yeah kickin the bushes..i guess he's concerned for the bushes safety now I just cut my grass. I'm I in trouble? __________________ Cub Scout 1973
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:58 AM | ||
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I just cut my grass. I'm I in trouble? 10 BILLION COUNTS OF AGGRAVATED ASSULT!!! one for each blade of grass...  __________________ "Fat, Drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son."
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 8:07 AM | ||
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Stu wanted to eat the brush that was kicked... So big from eating veggies hmmmmmmmmmmm I don't think so.
Reports have said Stuies wife works for KFC... Bucket of Chicken was taken by Her to feed Stuie before we went to the News 12, about this Bird hunt.. Pictures at 11:00 __________________ Quote: Hunting is My Heart & Soul, Without it. I'm just a empty shell. |
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 8:08 AM | ||
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Quote: Larry Herrighty, chief of the Bureau of Wildlife Management in the Department of Environmental Protection, said the incident took place within the legal open season for gunning of upland birds. "Some of those birds found by the dog were prodded, and they flew. I don't see anything illegal in the video that I saw," Herrighty said. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 8:11 AM | ||
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they screwed up (the News) - NJHunter.com is getting all this press when NewJerseyHunter.com posted it. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 8:13 AM | ||
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Either way, it's bad public relations for hunting. A black eye for UBNJ and all hunters.
Chaulk one up for the anti's. They took the club we handed them and beat us over the head with it.  __________________ "Hunters across America must wake up to the awareness that they stand a good chance of losing their sport because of their own inaction and lassitude." Fred Bear 1975
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 8:15 AM | ||
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| We need to strike back and give anti's two black eyes by pushing through a permanent bear season, and getting the archery Sunday hunting bill through this year! | ||
| Posted: 25 May 2006 8:32 AM | ||
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Either way, it's bad public relations for hunting. A black eye for UBNJ and all hunters. Chaulk one up for the anti's. They took the club we handed them and beat us over the head with it I disagree for all the reasons I posted when this non-controversy emerged yesterday. No matter what - the ara's will villify ALL HUNTING. I laugh when I hear this reaction. Anti-s can look at any OLN or Outdoor Channel production and say the same things. Think of Stu as Wyle E Coyote: He's always waiting for his GOTCHA moment, then Larry Herrity shows up and says: "Nothing wrong here... what's the fuss?" POOF - stuies plan fizzles in his face. With Memorial Day this weekend, Stuie timed his plan wrong. In 24 hours - this non-story will fade into obscurity. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 10:05 AM | ||
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I just cut my grass. I'm I in trouble? sssshhhhhh, I have to cut my lawn at night with a silenced lawn mower so the anti's don't get me for cruelty to the grass.... __________________ I don't hunt over bait, I am just premarinating them!
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 10:07 AM | ||
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this sh*t is still on news 12 ,they need to find some real news __________________ redneck white trash
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 12:49 PM | ||
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I disagree You don't think this is bad press for hunting? __________________ "Hunters across America must wake up to the awareness that they stand a good chance of losing their sport because of their own inaction and lassitude." Fred Bear 1975
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 1:18 PM Last Edited By: Dave2122 | ||
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whereupon a fusillade of arrows downed the birds. I only viewed one arrow???? Typical reporter getting it wrong again __________________ "Well, if it isn't Mister Chain Blue Lightning himself"
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 1:21 PM | ||
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You don't think this is bad press for hunting? Nope. It becomes bad press only when hunters complain through the press about other (law abiding) hunters' methods. Cannibals and useful idiots. When an anti complains (when don't they? ) its same thing, different day. Its even better press when a State Wildlife rep (Larry) gets quoted saying 'nothing wrong here.' My only concern is that they got the website wrong. If more people reading that article were directed to this site (warts and all) they'd realize that what we do is ok. We'd probly get more members as a result. The people at NJHunter.com are probly shaking their heads as to why they picked up a few more hits and lurkers than normal. Also the timing for stuie was all wrong. He sat on that video and waited to pull his classic 'Wyle E Coyote' moment on us. And just like ol' Wyle E Coyote, the plan fizzled out - twice. 1. Larry Herrity is quoted in an official capacity. 2. Memorial Day weekend is here.... so this is not news anymore. Further, if he presses the issue and demands an investigation of sorts, or tries to force this one on the public, it'll will open his organization (and the politicians affiliated) to equal scrutiny. I wonder if he really does support ALF? __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 1:21 PM | ||
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did I see the same video that the reporters saw? I didn't see any birds get kicked. I didn't see any point blank shots. All I saw was a group of bowhunters who were great shoots and were hunting, not having target practice. I MUST have seen the wrong video! __________________ I don't hunt over bait, I am just premarinating them!
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 3:38 PM Last Edited By: JerseyJim | ||
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I don't hunt with dogs so I have to "kick" up all my own game... I've "kicked" up pheasants, grouse, woodcocks, rabbits, turkeys, deer, bear, etc.etc.. That being said, if people think this means I've run up behind a bear and given him a swift kick in the [no swearing please] to get him running, well wait,... nobody can be that stupid...I mean besides Stu.... and the people at channel 12 and the [no swearing please] bury press....can they???
It's just hunting terms.... The drugging of the birds is just a flat out lie by Stu.. He tries to twist the truth around like ALL anti's do with word games and taking things out of context or just flat out telling a lie! I would think most people with half a brain can and do see right through this crap... For the people putting these guys down for "kicking" these birds up so close THAT'S PHEASANT HUNTING! Sometimes the birds fly early, sometimes they hold tight! When hunting with a bow you would hope the birds hold a little tighter to give the hunter a sporting chance at hitting a small moving target with a BOW! I've had pheasants and other game "kicked" out from right under my foot and missed with a scatter gun. I can't imagine how hard it must be with a single projectile from a bow! Think before you speak...Please! The only thing that really has me upset about this whole thing is NJ-Hunter is getting all our FREE press!!! It figures that they couldn't even get that right... __________________ ............................................
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 3:55 PM | ||
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| Im in the process of speaking to an lawyer he said I do have a case with the copright infringement against Stu...This is as much as I care to say right now...I called Stu and left him a message I'm still waiting to hear from him. | ||
| Posted: 25 May 2006 4:04 PM | ||
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| He just called me back....what an unpleasant fellow.... | ||
| Posted: 25 May 2006 4:05 PM | ||
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He just called me back....what an unpleasant fellow.... GGGGRrrrrrrrrr...!!!!! __________________ Member UBNJ
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 4:07 PM | ||
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| He recorded my call which is fine with me... I just want to go on record here where I threatened him with legal action and he asked me again and again and if I'm threatening him and I said yes... with legal action...Who knows if he'll try to fudge the tape as if I made violent threats against him. | ||
| Posted: 25 May 2006 4:11 PM | ||
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| Good for you sugar...I hope you get him with some legitimate charges...unlike the ones he tries to allege against us. | ||
| Posted: 25 May 2006 4:13 PM | ||
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Be careful I am sure he will. what you should do is record the same conversation so if he brought it up against you and he fudged the recording then you can prove it with yours. But just to let you know unless he has an accountable witness that he recorded that tape and did not fudge it the tape is not admisable in court being that there was no 3rd party to witness or notorize the tape as being authentic. __________________ Member UBNJ
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