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| Posted: 24 May 2006 10:32 PM Last Edited By: hkdonfishn | ||
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This was sent to Tom Baldwin at the Daily Record
Tom, Stewart went to the birds because he wants to divert the attention away from the bears; this is because the Bears have become more of a problem then in the past because of the actions of himself and his group. He is using this story to remove himself from being responsible for the over population of bears due to his group fighting to have the Bear hunts stopped. By winning one year of their battle this has caused a higher population of bears which in time will lead to injury and or death to a human. If you have not noticed with all the bear killings by the officials and sightings that there have been in the past months the ARA's have been quiet and unresponsive. This is because they do not want the responsibility of a person being killed or maimed by a bear. The video in question shows no illegal actions and the actions were committed within the limitations of the law. The way the hunt took place is the same way most private game reserves hold there hunts. The flushing of the birds is legal and was done by the same means as they have been for Centuries. In the winter months pheasant tend to hold and not fly, this causes the hunter to flush the bird also called kicking up the bird named from the action used to make the bird fly. the ARA's see this as abuse to the animal but upon viewing the video you will plainly see that these birds were not kicked as in a way you would kick a ball but in a way to coerce the bird into flying by lightly tapping the bird till it fly’s hence the meaning kick up. The actions of the hunters were from the excitement of over coming the challenge of harvesting the bird with a bow and arrow. There is no law for excitement or the showing of your feelings be them good or bad. To these hunters harvesting that bird with a bow and arrow was the same as a baseball player hitting a home run and giving his team mates a high five while rounding the bases. The only law being broken here was the video being acquired from our copy written website and used for purposes it was unintended to be used for. My suggestion to you is before writing a story of this type gather the facts, research Pheasant hunting under the weather conditions at hand and the skill involved in Harvesting a Pheasant in flight with a bow and arrow. Then research the meaning of hunting and all that it involves before posting a story that you made one sided without getting the facts from those involved. __________________ Member UBNJ
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 10:33 PM | ||
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 10:36 PM | ||
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I feel the same way...the only problem is that everyone here already knows that. I wish that the news could have showed this side of the story.
There are people out there that probably had to opinion on hunting one way or the other, but the way that video was portrayed will lead them in the wrong direction. Its a shame, because people are being severly misimformed. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 10:38 PM | ||
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I wish that the news could have showed this side of the story. They never will __________________ Vice President
Woodruff Rod and Gun Club "If i see BONE, Its goin HOME" - CAT FIRE IT UP Woke up at 5am, put on my camouflage Wiped off my .243 and fired up my Dodge Headed out to my ol' deerstand back in the pines Gonna get me a ten point buck with 11 inch tines, yeah FREE RUGGIE |
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 10:40 PM | ||
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They never will I think they will, if someone takes the other side of the story to the station they may show it, just because interest is already built on the subject. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 10:42 PM | ||
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I think they will, if someone takes the other side of the story to the station they may show it, just because interest is already built on the subject. True....someones needs to tell them our side of the story....but no one will...it always happens like this...the anits get there story out there to the public and we sit back and complain and do nothing about it __________________ Vice President
Woodruff Rod and Gun Club "If i see BONE, Its goin HOME" - CAT FIRE IT UP Woke up at 5am, put on my camouflage Wiped off my .243 and fired up my Dodge Headed out to my ol' deerstand back in the pines Gonna get me a ten point buck with 11 inch tines, yeah FREE RUGGIE |
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 10:45 PM | ||
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The only thing that I fing solice in is the fact that most semi intelligent people see through the crazed ARAs. And they usually see the need for hunting, even though they may not agree with it. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 10:49 PM | ||
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I sent this to Tom Baldwin at the Daily record and made mention to the fact of him reporting a story that he failed to research and was one sided was unprofesional on his part. __________________ Member UBNJ
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 10:53 PM | ||
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__________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 10:57 PM | ||
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 10:57 PM | ||
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I didn't know it was in the Daily Record also. __________________ It isn't the catch or the kill that makes for a great outdoor experience but enjoying all that God has created for us.
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 11:11 PM | ||
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Also sent to news 12 NJ __________________ Member UBNJ
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 11:32 PM | ||
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I'm sure it was sent to every station that Stu could get his sweaty, grubby, chubby, smelly, fat little fingers on.
This letter is great, hopefully it will shed some light to those that are currently stuck in the darkness. __________________ Here (risking your wry and deprecatory look) is the point of the whole matter. All that we have considered hitherto is but the vehicle. When, by a combination of good shooting and good fortune, you land your arrow in the mark let it be one that carries a head fit for its task.
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| Posted: 24 May 2006 11:58 PM | ||
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Quote: This is how the media has been doing business for the last 25 years!reporting a story that he failed to research and was one sided was unprofesional on his part. __________________ "Well, if it isn't Mister Chain Blue Lightning himself"
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 12:31 AM | ||
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 5:09 AM Last Edited By: apmaurosr | ||
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Quote: I think they will, if someone takes the other side of the story to the station they may show it, just because interest is already built on the subject. True....someones needs to tell them our side of the story....but no one will...it always happens like this...the anits get there story out there to the public and we sit back and complain and do nothing about it Great letter and thread. FYI - it's not that the media doesn't know that there are at least 2 sides to a story - it's that they only want to present the side that advances their own cause. That's why you have never heard a wildlife biologist or a REAL "expert" or wildlife scientist be interviewed or quoted in the press. The media always use some "self appointed" expert or they select an "activist" to interview. Interviewing a REAL wildlife management professional would tumble the house of cards the media has built for the public. Ant |
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 5:48 AM | ||
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If you were stu (God forbid!) and you had two choices, which would you take:
be safe, and show a video to a reporter who needs a story be controversial, take some personal and reputation risk, and go to Irvington and try to tell people there that they need to buy a new garbage can. not even HE is that stupid. __________________ "Liberty and Prosperity"....the former our state government is trying to eradicate, and the latter they are trying to prevent.
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 5:50 AM | ||
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What is the email address for New12? __________________ "Hunters across America must wake up to the awareness that they stand a good chance of losing their sport because of their own inaction and lassitude." Fred Bear 1975
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 6:21 AM | ||
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 6:43 AM | ||
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The media is on the anti's side no doubt. My experience with sending letters to newspaper op-ed pages is that they do a hatchet job on it it they do print it.
The fact that the wackos are quiet about this bear exclusion zone crap shows that they are not concerned about the animals. They simply dispise hunting and hunters because they consider themselve enlightened and us barbaric. I would ratherr be a barbaric caveman than an "enlightened hippie faggot" __________________ Gun control is being able to hit your target
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:02 AM | ||
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Great letter!
The facts are this: Newspapers and stations have always been anti-hunting, and rarely do the research necessary to find out the other side of the issue. They shoot first and then maybe, they'll put a small retraction buried in the paper where no one will find it or care about it. Besides, most people will believe the first thing that's said even in the face of the paper saying it didn't happen anyway. Just a thought/suggestion: Who's video was that? And where was it placed? I would suggest that the owner/website sue the living crap out of the station that aired it for not obtaining permission to do so. Maybe after they are forced to pay out a huge lawsuit will they think about doing it the next time. David __________________ NJ... Where fun comes to die!
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:43 AM | ||
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Why dont we see stupid stu going to newark to protest the police for killing that bear? __________________ Welcome to New Jersey Whiner!
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:43 AM | ||
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Who's video was that? And where was it placed? I would suggest that the owner/website sue the living crap out of the station that aired it for not obtaining permission to do so. Maybe after they are forced to pay out a huge lawsuit will they think about doing it the next time. Wont work. There is really no way to prove it was taken from this site, and secondly, it is not clear that things on this site are copyrighted. They are put on a website for everyone to see. And part of defemation is that the party publishing the defaming things must know or should know that they are untrue, in this case the media has no way of knowing that those allegations wernt actually true. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Benjamin Franklin
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 7:49 AM | ||
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__________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 8:50 AM | ||
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cris you know they are untrue and so does stu. he's tring to stir up some trouble. ask sugar if he posted the vidio anywhere else? if not then he got it from here and as such may be theft. at the very least the U.B.N.J. should sue as they were not involved in the making of that vidio. __________________ Hunt with a Vizsla, Cause life's to short to hunt with an ugly dog!
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 9:49 AM | ||
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Quote: Because he doesn't want to bring the fact that bears are over populated and being pushed into cities to the publics eyes..... Some say that this whole pheasant thing is to redirect the publics attention away from the bear shootings and the problems and dangers the anti's have caused by keeping hunters from getting the bear over-population under control!!!
Why dont we see stupid stu going to newark to protest the police for killing that bear? Stu doesn't give a crap about you, me, our kids safety, or any of these animals and the other animals these over populated animals effect!...He just wants to play the hero to a bunch of soft minded drones who love to see fatboy Stu on TV.... How much fruit does one need to eat to get that fat anyway Stu???? __________________ ............................................
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 9:59 AM | ||
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I have been trying to send the story to other news station and papers in the area as well __________________ Member UBNJ
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 1:13 PM | ||
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in this case the media has no way of knowing that those allegations wern't actually true. Isn't the reporter from Gannett liable for writing "Chaifetz said the group told on its Web site how the shooters had drugged the birds"? He could have eaisly checked this. __________________ "Hunters across America must wake up to the awareness that they stand a good chance of losing their sport because of their own inaction and lassitude." Fred Bear 1975
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 1:35 PM | ||
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No stuie is liable for libel. __________________ "...but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not soundness of heart."
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| Posted: 25 May 2006 1:49 PM Last Edited By: MikeP | ||
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Quote: No stuie is liable for libel.  Now you're making me laugh. Sorry about that one.
So as long as the reporter puts "Chaifetz said" before a statement he's not libel even if he knows the statement is false? __________________ "Hunters across America must wake up to the awareness that they stand a good chance of losing their sport because of their own inaction and lassitude." Fred Bear 1975
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